ATG9 - Net Reduction in Salaries

In the Survey posted by SOM a few weeks ago, they asked about re-pricing all of the cards. From my POV, this is a priority as ATG8 pricing is a mess that has degraded the game and chased away new players.

Savvy managers stock up on the under-priced players ('62 Tommy David, '01 or '04 Nap Lajoie, '59 Smoky Burgess, '58 Richie Ashburn, etc.) enabling them to build 90-100M teams in 80M cap leagues. Meanwhile, there is vast pool of famous, but over-priced players that don't get used much.

Below, I've posted a list of CFs with "suggested" ATG9 salaries*. Overall, there is a net drop of 18.50M in salary for the 141 cards in the list (an average of .13M per card).

==============================================
* Note, salaries in the list are what I would consider, "first draft." When I've done salaries in the past, there is quite a bit more "massaging," before they were finalized

12.99 -- '56 Mickey Mantle, CF (13.97) –98
12.73 -- NeL Oscar Charleston, CF (12.89)
12.56 -- '12 Tris Speaker, CF (11.91) +65
12.56 -- '57 Mickey Mantle, CF (13.01) –47
12.08 -- '94 Hugh Duffy, CF (11.75) +33
11.80 -- '61 Mickey Mantle, CF (12.07) –27
11.70 -- '62 Willie Mays, CF (12.69) –99
11.67 -- '11 Ty Cobb, CF (11.41)
11.51 -- '41 Joe Dimaggio, CF (11.57)
11.34 -- '39 Joe Dimaggio, CF (10.01) +1.33
10.77 -- '65 Willie Mays, CF (11.69) –92
10.75 -- '13 Mike Trout, CF (10.51)
10.45 -- NeL Turkey Stearnes, CF (10.41)
10.37 -- '11 Matt Kemp, CF (10.19)
10.24 -- '53 Duke Snider, CF (10.70) –46
10.10 -- '54 Willie Mays, CF (10.83) –73
10.05 -- '12 Ty Cobb, CF (9.99)
10.02 -- '57 Willie Mays, CF (11.11) –1.09
10.00 -- '55 Willie Mays, CF (10.42) –42

The cards with negative numbers (in Red), like Mantle & Mays are currently over-priced and would see their salaries go down. Players with + numbers (in Blue) like '12 Speaker or '39 Dimaggio would see their salaries go up.

9.95 -- '36 Earl Averill, CF (10.73) –78
9.93 -- '37 Joe Dimaggio, CF (9.67) +36
9.83 -- '20 Tris Speaker, CF (10.06) –23
9.83 -- '05 Cy Seymour, CF (9.26) +57
9.78 -- '72 Cesar Cedeno, CF (9.75)
9.68 -- '94 Ken Griffey Jr., CF (9.91) –23
9.56 -- '30 Hack Wilson, CF (9.38) +18
9.50 -- '79 Fred Lynn, CF (9.13) +37
9.41 -- '94 Billy Hamilton, CF (9.00) +41
9.36 -- '55 Duke Snider, CF (9.66) –30
9.19 -- '04 Jim Edmonds, CF (9.08)
9.03 -- '93 Ken Griffey Jr., CF (10.15) –112
8.90 -- '97 Ken Griffey Jr., CF (9.24) –34
8.87 -- NeL Willard Brown, CF (8.55) +32
8.78 -- '01 Ed Delahanty, CF (8.79)
8.76 -- '13 Andrew McCutchen, CF (8.75)
8.65 -- '54 Duke Snider, CF (9.03) –38
8.57 -- '72 Bobby Murcer, CF (8.61)
8.51 -- '48 Joe Dimaggio, CF (9.46) –95
8.43 -- '87 Eric Davis, CF (8.38)
8.30 -- '88 Kirby Puckett, CF (8.38) -8
8.23 -- '94 Kenny Lofton, CF (7.79) +44
8.16 -- '59 Mickey Mantle, CF (8.96) –80
8.06 -- '20 Happy Felsch, CF (6.86) +120
8.04 -- NeL Cristobal Torriente, CF (7.68) +36

7.99 -- NeL Cristobal Torriente, CF (7.98)
7.87 -- '87 Pete Browning, CF (7.94)
7.78 -- NeL Oscar Charleston, CF (7.58) +20
7.63 -- '96 Brady Anderson, CF (8.78) –115
7.57 -- '71 Bobby Murcer, CF (7.94) –37
7.53 -- '80 Andre Dawson, CF (7.21) +32
7.44 -- '41 Pete Reiser, CF (8.56) –112
7.29 -- '34 Earl Averill, CF (7.71) –42
7.25 -- '59 Vada Pinson, CF (7.22)
7.23 -- '50 Larry Doby, CF (7.58) –35
7.13 -- '88 Andy Van Slyke, CF (7.58) –45
7.12 -- '84 Dale Murphy, CF (7.01) +11
7.06 -- '75 Fred Lynn, CF (7.62) –56
7.06 -- '69 Jimmy Wynn, CF (7.10)
7.04 -- '83 Dale Murphy, CF (7.15) -11
6.93 -- '98 Bernie Williams, CF (6.86)
6.85 -- '86 Eric Davis, CF (6.41) +44
6.83 -- '29 Hack Wilson, CF (6.58) +25
6.72 -- '85 Willie McGee, CF (6.65)
6.66 -- '61 Vada Pinson, CF (6.83) -17
6.64 -- '82 Dale Murphy, CF (6.93) –29
6.59 -- '05 Andruw Jones, CF (8.05) –146
6.50 -- '82 Gorman Thomas, CF (6.94) –44
6.49 -- '20 Baby Doll Jacobson, CF (6.86) -37
6.47 -- '25 Edd Roush, CF (6.42)
6.42 -- '96 Steve Finley, CF (6.37)
6.35 -- '50 Andy Pafko, CF (6.39)
6.30 -- '82 Andre Dawson, CF (6.09) +21
6.25 -- '92 Kirby Puckett, CF (6.21)
6.19 -- '18 Harry Hooper, CF (6.46) –27
6.11 -- '06 Elmer Flick, CF (6.55) –44
6.11 -- '27 Earle Combs, CF (4.70) +141
6.10 -- '99 Bernie Williams, CF (5.94) +16
6.05 -- '73 Amos Otis, CF (6.94) –89
6.04 -- '77 Cesar Cedeno, CF (6.27) –23

5.99 -- '93 Lenny Dykstra, CF (5.18) +81
5.94 -- NeL Alejandro Oms, CF (5.95)
5.93 -- '05 Elmer Flick, CF (5.33) +60
5.90 -- '55 Richie Ashburn, CF (5.84)
5.90 -- '51 Bobby Thomson, CF (6.69) –79
5.89 -- '58 Richie Ashburn, CF (4.86) +103
5.88 -- '53 Larry Doby, CF (6.80) –92
5.86 -- '92 Brett Butler, CF (6.10) –24
5.84 -- '79 Chet Lemon, CF (6.30) –46
5.82 -- '88 Dave Henderson, CF (4.66) +116
5.77 -- '46 Dom Dimaggio, CF (6.30) –53
5.77 -- '07 Torii Hunter, CF (3.80) +197
5.74 -- '77 Lyman Bostock, CF (6.67) –93
5.73 -- '07 Carlos Beltran, CF (6.54) –81
5.70 -- NeL Cool Papa Bell, CF (6.55) –85
5.68 -- NeL Pete Hill, CF (6.92) –126
5.63 -- '69 Tommie Agee, CF (5.96) –33
5.57 -- '89 Robin Yount, CF (4.74) +83
5.57 -- '07 Aaron Rowand, CF (5.31) +26
5.50 -- '53 Richie Ashburn, CF (5.36)
5.47 -- '54 Larry Doby, CF (6.97) –150
5.47 -- '09 Sam Crawford, CF (4.88) +59
5.42 -- NeL Neil Robinson, CF (5.22) +20
5.36 -- '88 Ellis Burks, CF (5.25) +11
5.35 -- '13 Clyde Milan, CF (6.34) –99
5.32 -- '97 Ray Lankford, CF (5.74) -42
5.28 -- NeL Alejandro Oms, CF (5.08) +20
5.19 -- '78 Fred Lynn, CF (5.65) -46
5.15 -- '28 Lloyd Waner, CF (5.71) -56
5.12 -- '73 Bobby Murcer, CF (5.56) -44
5.06 -- '70 Bobby Tolan, CF (5.51) -45
5.04 -- '01 Mike Cameron, CF (6.65) -161
5.01 -- '42 Pete Reiser, CF (5.09) -8

4.97 -- '55 Gus Bell, CF (5.53) -56
4.96 -- '41 Terry Moore, CF (5.70) -74
4.93 -- '76 Cesar Geronimo, CF (5.79) -86
4.89 -- '29 Mule Haas, CF (5.19) -30
4.87 -- '59 Jim Landis, CF (4.54) +33
4.85 -- '34 Wally Berger, CF (4.22) +63
4.83 -- '02 Ginger Beaumont, CF (4.91) -8
4.82 -- '92 Marquis Grissom, CF (4.67) +15
4.78 -- '96 Kenny Lofton, CF (4.92) -14
4.72 -- '70 Amos Otis, CF (4.98) -26
4.71 -- '66 Tommie Agee, CF (5.28) -57
4.65 -- '23 Johnny Mostil, CF (4.52) +13
4.62 -- '35 Sam West, CF (5.19) -57
4.60 -- '82 Fred Lynn, CF (4.54) +6
4.57 -- '80 Gorman Thomas, CF (5.00) -43
4.56 -- '41 Dom Dimaggio, CF (4.53)
4.53 -- '84 Chet Lemon, CF (4.72) -19
4.48 -- '05 Grady Sizemore, CF (4.12) +36
4.46 -- '86 Lenny Dykstra, CF (4.17) +29
4.45 -- '27 Lloyd Waner, CF (5.52) -107
4.43 -- '70 Paul Blair, CF (4.32) +11
4.41 -- '69 Reggie Smith, CF (4.58) -17
4.29 -- '31 Mule Haas, CF (4.27)
4.11 -- '80 Willie Wilson, CF (4.03)
4.10 -- '64 Curt Flood, CF (3.83) +27
4.09 -- '99 Doug Glanville, CF (3.79) +30
4.05 -- '13 Amos Strunk, CF (3.82) +23
4.00 -- '22 Baby Doll Jacobson, CF (2.84) +116

So what methodology was used to determine the "suggested" repricing?

A cautionary note: pricing irregularities are not necessarily a bad thing. A big part of general managing a team is spotting value and that is one of the more fun aspects of team building.

I think repricing needs to address a couple of key issues. One is making cards, such as those mentioned in the initial post on this thread, more expensive. There are less than 50 cards in the entire set that I consider grossly underpriced and these cards get used far too frequently. The flip side of this issue is cards that are overpriced to the point of almost never getting used. So ideally a repricing would correct these imbalances. But for the vast majority of the cards a price randomizer of +/- 5% of current pricing could be used, to create new values and breathe new life into an old game.

Where is Tommy Davis on the list?

Where is Tommy Davis on the list?

He was pricing CF's. Davis is LF.

****************************************************************************************************************************************
Pricing Mistakes – The “Insane Bargain” players

Collecting these guys enables you to build a 100M team in an 80M cap league
****************************************************************************************************************************************

12.73 -- '01 Nap Lajoie, 2B (10.64) +209
11.51 -- '76 Joe Morgan, 2B (10.30) +121
11.34 -- '39 Joe Dimaggio, CF (10.01) +133
10.54 -- '04 Nap Lajoie, 2B (8.78) +176
9.18 -- '63 Hank Aaron, RF (7.60) +158
8.06 -- '20 Happy Felsch, CF (6.86) +120
7.76 -- '00 Honus Wagner, 1B (6.55) +121
6.11 -- '27 Earle Combs, CF (4.70) +141
5.94 -- '62 Tommy Davis, LF (4.34) +160
5.89 -- '58 Richie Ashburn, CF (4.86) +103
5.82 -- '88 Dave Henderson, CF (4.66) +116
5.77 -- '07 Torii Hunter, CF (3.80) +197
4.43 -- '86 Steve Sax, 2B (3.28) +115
4.01 -- '02 Bobby Wallace, SS (2.95) +106
4.00 -- '22 Baby Doll Jacobson, CF (2.84) +116
3.72 -- '09 Danny Murphy, RF (2.54) +118
3.70 -- '09 Ed Konetchy, 1B (2.60) +110
3.69 -- '09 Dots Miller, 2B (2.31) +138
3.50 -- '59 Smoky Burgess, Ca (2.29) +121
3.47 -- '26 Bob O'Farrell, Ca (2.45) +102
3.37 -- '27 Clyde Barnhart, LF (2.16) +121
3.32 -- '77 Davey Lopes, 2B (2.19) +113
3.31 -- '78 Bob Watson, 1B (2.12) +119
3.30 -- '69 Nate Colbert, 1B (2.29) +101
3.30 -- '55 Les Moss, Ca (1.82) +148
3.17 -- '24 Eddie Brown, CF (2.09) +108
3.14 -- '66 Russ Snyder, LF (2.12) +102
3.03 -- '83 Lenn Sakata, 2B (1.67) +136
2.91 -- '66 Paul Blair, CF (1.40) +151
2.80 -- '09 Tommy Leach, CF (1.73) +107
2.78 -- '82 Willie Aikens, 1B (1.51) +127
2.74 -- '79 Chris Chambliss, 1B (1.71) +103
2.73 -- '55 Walt Dropo, 1B (1.69) +104
2.56 -- '51 Irv Noren, CF (1.49) +107