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Poll ended at Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:34 pm

1. 2011 James Shields TB SP* Much needed upgrade for Rays limited ATG pitching staff. 249 ip 225 k 2.82 era 1.04 whip 11 Complete Games! 4 Shutouts! AL All-Star 3rd in Cy Young voting
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2. 1978 Bob Welch, RH S/R, Dodgers, 7-4 2.02 1.060. Career bests in ERA & HR9. Near career bests in WHIP, H9 & BB9. Welch's 1990 27 win card ($4.66 mil) does not do him justice.
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3. 1915 Ty Cobb. I know I know, another Cobb card. Yet, this was his highest single season OBP (.486) and his stolen base record (96) which would stand until 1962! It's a crime that this card is not already in the set.
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4.2018 Mike Trout Anaheim cf 1(-2)0
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5. 2001 Keith Foulke White Sox pitched 11 years no card. 81 innings, 42 saves, .975 WHIP
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6. 1987 Tim Raines MON LF (4L bal) Career high in HR (18), OBP (.429), and SLG (.526) https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/802910/1680/1/80
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7. 2004 Brad Radke MIN SP. No cards yet. Underrated pitcher that threw during the Steroid Era where his numbers were inflated. 2nd all-time in WAR for Twins pitchers. 11-8, 219 IP, 3.48 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, just 26 walks and a 5.5 SO/W ratio.
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8. 1933 Wally Berger Braves OF
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9. 1962 Bobby Richardson NYY 2B - Yankee Great is poorly represented by current '61 and '64 cards. in 1962 he had career highs in BA (.302), H (209), 2B (38) plus HR & RBI in 692 AB (0 Inj.) along with 2nd best Fld Pct (.982)
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10. 2004 Vladimir Guerrero - AL MVP, 39hr's, .337 BA. In Cooperstown with and Angels hat, he should have one in this set too.
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11. 2009 Pablo Sandoval - .330 BA, 44 2Bs, 25 HRs, .556 Slg, switch hitting 3B - would be his first card in the set
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12. 1980 Jerry Reuss - 18-6, 2.51 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, after 21 seasons and 220 wins, needs a better card than the one in the set
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13. 2002 Magglio Ordonez-RF-2(-1)e4 - .320/.381/.597, 47 Doubles, 38 HRs Would be a nice add for the White Sox.
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14. 1962 Floyd Robinson - .312 / .384 /.475 45 Doubles, 109 RBIs; 10th in MVP voting; another nice Chisox postWW2 add
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15. 1979 Jim Kern- RP- TEX: https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/736351/1670/1/70
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16. 1914 Ray Caldwell SP/RP -NYY His best season 18-9, 1.94 ERA .958 WHIP. 5 HR in 213 IP
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17. 2000 Andruw Jones, RHB, Braves, CF 1(-3)e2 .303 36 104 .366 .541 .907 21 SBs. Career highs in HITS, BA, OBP, TB, PA and 2nd career highs for SLG, OPS & OPS+. Gold Glove winner. A true 5 tool player. In game injury only.
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18. 1959 Charlie Neal, LA, 2b-1e10
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19.1889 Fred Carroll C, OF, 1b Pittsburgh NL- NO cards in set. BA: .330 OBP: 486 OPS:970 Should be a great leadoff card. 21 doubles 11Triples in 318 ABs 414 PAs.
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20.CIN Aroldis Chapman 2012 .8 whip 15Ks/9 https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/91475/2012/1/2012
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21. 1993 Juan Gonzalez, Texas 46 Homeruns, 310 .368 .632 Near identical overall stats to his current 8L card, but this card is balanced! Tons of power against lefties and righties. At all but 200M+ caps, this card will get the most usage of any of Juan's cards.
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22. 2009 Bronson Arroyo, Reds, RHP, 17 year vet, and solid back end rota guy, 2009 year hews close to career numbers: 15-13, 3.84, 220.1IP, 214 Hits, 31 HRA, 127 Ks, 65W, 1.266 WHIP. Should be a cheap starter. 2010 better, not as representative.
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23. 1998 Brad Ausmus Hou C
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24. 1976 Garry Maddox PHI Cf .330 .377 .833 OPS upgrade over current cards
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25. 1968 Bob Bolin SF SP(8) RP(4) 177 IP, 1.98 ERA, 126 K's, 46 BBs, 9 HRs allowed, 10-5 W-L record, could give Giants franchise either another starter or good middle reliever.
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26. 2018 Aaron Nola PHI 17-6 212.1IP 224 K’s 2.37 ERA 0.98 WHIP
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27. 1983 Willie Aikens KC 1b A big improvement over the 2 cards already in ATG. https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/830082/1680/1/80
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28. 1973 Joe Morgan, CIN - 2b-1e10 (best fielding card) | L 4R | best stealing | + PLAYS ALL 162 GAMES (687 AB + Walks)
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29. 2007 Russell Martin LAD C average/power/speed defence and 600 PA as a catcher!
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30. 1912 Larry Gardner, BOS, Bats-L, E Balance 593PA. .315AVE .383OBP
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31. 1948 Ted Williams, BOS, Bats-L, E Balance, LF-3(-2)e6, 369/497/615 369/497/615 Hit Pctg of his OBP was highest of his career: 60%.
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32. 1948 Johnny Lindell, NYY, Bats-R, 3L Balance, LF-2(+1)e2, RF-3(+1)e2 Great platoon card vs LHP.
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33. 1977 Ted Simmons, STL, Bats-S, 1R Balance, C-3(0)e4, RF-4(+1)e16, better against RHP than current 4m cards
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34. 1919 Bobby Veach, DET, Bats L, E Balance, LF-2(-3)e13
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35. 1996 Mo Vaughn, BOS, Bats-L, 2R Balance, 1b-4e17, In Game INJ Risk Hit Dog needs a card worth using.
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36. 1912 Frank Baker, PHA, Bats-L, E Balance, 3b-2e34, Steal: *3-6/-(19-15), 3 Game INJ Risk 1.211 OPS 7th in MVP Voting. Led League in Home Runs and RBI.
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37. 1979 Steve Kemp DET, no card, Bats Left. LF-3(+1)e8, RF-4(+1)e8 1.147 OPS. Again, Kemp has no card.
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38. 1922 Charlie Hollocher SS Cubs .340 .403 .444 lefty hitting SS are rare in the set
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39. 2008 Matt Thornton, LHRP, White Sox 5-3 2.67 0.995 Career best ERA, WHIP. Near career bests in H9 & SO9. In White Sox badly need a good lefty Reliever https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/90585/2008/1/20714
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40. 1977 George Hendrick, SD, Bats-R, E Balance, LF/CF/RF-2(-1)e8, Steal: *4,6/-(15-11). Plays all 3 OF positions well and helps Padres franchise.
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41. 1974 Bill Buckner - .314/.348/.412 2R balance. *18, 1-15 running. I did have another nomination in mind, but with Buckner's recent passing this became a priority for me. We need a card that represents Buckner when he could still run, and was an awesome fielder in LF!
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42. 2014 Pat Neshek, StL, RH RP. 7-2, 1.87 ERA, 6 saves. 67.1 IP, .787 WHIP, 195 ERA+. still active - has played with 7 teams. Quality RP representative of this modern era
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43. 1905 Mike Donlin BA 356 .413 .495 .908 OPS+ 167; 676 Plate Appearances; lead league in RS 124; lifetime .333 hitter with lifetime 142 OPS+; 33 Steals ;OPS for this season is almost 100 points above his current and only card in ATG.
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44. 2012 SS Alcides Escobar- KC Royals- Finally gives KC EXP a SS- AA stealer- 1e20
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45. 1993 Alex Fernandez, White Sox SP 18-9 3.13, WHIP 1.16.. franchise leagues that focus on exp era need more White SOX RHSP.. He was a solid pitcher in his career with the White Sox and Marlins
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46. 1935 Billy Rogell, DET, Bats R, E Balance, SS-2e24 Tigers shortstop in the 1930s, World Series in 1934 & 1935, 9 year DP combo with Charlie Gehringer. Has good OBP, would be a nice, cheap alternative in smaller cap leagues
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47. 1985 Rick Reuschel, Pirates 14-8 2.27 1.057 Career bests in ERA, WHIP, H9, SO9. Reuschel is another player with 200+ career wins, playing mostly with bad teams, who is deserving of a better card, and the Post War/Expansion Pirates desperately need more starting pitching.
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48. 1973 Steve Rogers, RH SP, 5L, Expos 10-5, 1.54 ERA, 1.060 WHIP, 6.2 H/9, 3.3 BB/9 Career long Expo, who despite 13 years with some really bad Expo teams, starting in 1973, somehow managed to go 158-152 during his career. Expos could use better starting pitching.
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49. 1977 Bob Watson, HOU, Bats-R, 2L Balance, 1b-3e10, 3 Game INJ Risk Without a doubt, Watson needs an ATG upgrade. 14 year Astro in a 19 year career
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50. 1941 Thornton Lee, White Sox, LHSP 22-11 2.37. Led A.L. pitchers in ERA, CG, ERA+ & WAR. Career bests in W, W-L%, ERA, IP, CG, ERA+, WAR, ShO, K, H9 & WHIP. This would be a big upgrade over Lee's other cards, and would give the Prewar White Sox a badly needed SP
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Re: 20.1 Voting now Open!

PostTue Dec 10, 2019 10:59 am

All the love that Bobby Richardson is getting and he only hits lefties, his card will not be as good as Neal. Dodgers do have enough 2b men, so do the Yanks, but Richardson has a very well known name, Neal, not so much. I wish I could pump up the numbers for him!
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Re: 20.1 Voting now Open!

PostTue Dec 10, 2019 11:01 am

Just wondering Steve,

Have you ever heard of John McGraw?

I can post several other players who are EXCELLENT lead off hitters.

This Cobb is slightly better, not drastically different than his other cards.

Play a few theme leagues. I can list several teams that are lacking quality players to compete.
One of the last things we need is another Cobb card that adds nothing new.

Sorry to burst your bubble and I'm not trying to be a wise ass. Just being honest. There are SEVERAL EXCELLENT lead off hitters in the set.
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Re: 20.1 Voting now Open!

PostTue Dec 10, 2019 12:54 pm

Yes, but McGraw is not a *20-16 stealer. The better OBP (.486) of the 1915 Cobb, combined with the steal rating ; should result in all stolen base records being broken!
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Re: 20.1 Voting now Open!

PostTue Dec 10, 2019 3:47 pm

You do realize pitcher holds and catcher arms play a part in steals?

Sorry, but we don't need another Cobb card.
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Re: 20.1 Voting now Open!

PostTue Dec 10, 2019 4:10 pm

None other than RiggoDrill said it would be the best leadoff card in the set. I think I'll listen to the guy with 570 teams and a .551 lifetime winning pct ,thanks.
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Re: 20.1 Voting now Open!

PostTue Dec 10, 2019 4:22 pm

I see nothing wrong with another Cobb. Only one team can have McGraw. This Cobb gets on base and doesn't have a bad injury rating. I think it is needed.

We added more Bonds, Ruth, Mantle, and Williams cards even though we already had good cards of each that were being used.

Raines getting another card is the one that is ridiculous.
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Re: 20.1 Voting now Open!

PostTue Dec 10, 2019 4:55 pm

You just don't get it. :roll:


I'm done. Enjoy your Cobb card.
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Re: 20.1 Voting now Open!

PostTue Dec 10, 2019 6:11 pm

visick wrote:You just don't get it. :roll:


I'm done. Enjoy your Cobb card.

I will enjoy it immensely (if it ever gets added)
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Re: 20.1 Voting now Open!

PostWed Dec 11, 2019 12:48 pm

Johnny Lindell is starting to gather support. Let me put in a word for him. This card WILL get used at lower caps. No doubt about that. Here's are his full stats:
1948 Johnny Lindell, NYY, Bats-R, 3L Balance, LF-2(+1)e2, RF-3(+1)e2, 15 Game INJ Risk, 2 INJ Rating
LH--9.9 2b, 0 3b, 8.2 HR, 20 BB 466/565/859, 1.424 OPS
RH--3 2b, 1.5 3b, 6.6 HR, 2 BB 351/363/595, .958 OPS

In Veterans, that 466/565/859 slash line vs LHP (1.424 OPS) is extremely strong (somewhat superior to the popular Mark Brouhard's). It's also better than the popular new Mariano Duncan card at 2B. Lindell's fielding is much superior to Brouhard's rf/lf 4(e6), and his hitting vs RHP is much better than Brouhard's. Lindell's injury risk will keep the price down--but inj risk matters less with lefty killers for reasons that are obvious if you think about them.

So let's have Johnny Lindell. I nominated Mariano Duncan on the same grounds as Lindell, and I now have a lot of trouble getting him in a draft because other managers see his value. I anticipate that Lindell will be moderately priced and am confident that he will be a perennial favorite at caps between 60 and 100M.
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Re: 20.1 Voting now Open!

PostWed Dec 11, 2019 2:01 pm

More data in favor of Lindell as a bit of a platoon monster vs LHP:
Lindell's OPS vs LHP is so good that it's significantly superior in Veterans to all but one of the current OF nominees. These nominees include, among others, Mike Trout, Ty Cobb, Juan Gonzalez, Vlad Guerrero, George Hendrick, Brian Jordan, Magglio Ordonez, and Tim Raines.

Among the cards of current nominees, the only OF whose OPS vs LHP tops Lindell is Ted Williams, 1948. If it takes Ted Williams to beat you vs LHP, your card vs lefty pitchers is seriously good. After a further review of the facts, I think we need to conclude that this is an outstanding platoon card.
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