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"Phil this is what you wrote in your post back on page 4 regarding players with 3-4 years of service. Are you now saying this was an error and the part about "or at their current SOM salary, whichever is higher" only applies to 5th year players? Need to know for sure before making my next pick.

Yes, this is what I am saying. The reason I included this rule for 5th year players is because I didn't want an owner to be able to extend a player for the rest of their career at a price that was lower than the price of their last card. For example, imagine that Bregman was in his fifth year rather than his fourth. His card price is $10.93 mil, but the average salary of the top 25% (I used the top 7) is $8.7 mil. He should not be signed for less than his current price if his carded price is higher than the avg of the top 25%. This rule causes owners to think about the choice of extending a 3-4 year player versus waiting for year 5. It may be cheaper to extend a player for four years at the cost of losing him to free agency than it is to wait a year and offer a year 5 extension.

Take Bregman again as an example. Let's imagine that we started the league last year a you drafted Bregman with 4 years of service time (I know he really would have had only 3 years) at a salary of $9.86 million. Let's assume that the average salary for the top 50% of 3rd basemen that year was $7mil. You could sign him to a 4 year extension at $7 mil a year, but at the end of the contract he would become a free agent. Let's say you decided to go to arbitration instead, knowing that he had a great 2019 season. You think his price will be close to the 2018 salary but want to keep the door open to a possible 5th year extension in the hopes of locking him up for more years. It turns out his arb price for 2019 is $10.93 mil! Ooops, you lose. Now you have to offer him a 5+ year contract at $10.93 mil if you want to keep him, or he will become a free agent at the end of the 2019 season.

I can see the merit in moving the decision date ahead, but I'm not sure how we could do that before the first season is played. We would essentially be asking owners to make two decisions: do you want to extend your eligible player this year? If no, do you want to extend that eligible player next year? I think it is possible to do it, but let's get through the draft and then have a discussion.

OK but I would have drafted someone other than Altuve if I had known. Made my pick based on what you had written about 4 year players on page 4.

this is getting confusing. Now, I'm back to believing that 5th year players have almost no options. Am I correct? kinda sucks cuz I have 2 now (Bryant and Baez)

1. extend at top 25% of all players at their primary position or their SOM salary. Well this sucks, cuz the top 25% is basically going to be about 6-7 guys and the top 6-7 third basemen will be about 9+ Million dollars and same goes for SS. So extending a Baez, Bryant, or Correa is a definite no at a 9 Mil price tag.

2. cut them.

3. arbitration. I guess this is really the only option. I get that down the road you will obviously never let a player get to this 5th year without having already made the extension etc... but for this first year it kinda stinks as arbitration is the only option.

so assuming you pretty much have to go to arbitration with the 5-year guys, you either get them for $4 mil or next year's SOM salary. but.....then what happens the next year. can I extend them that next year based on the arbitration price.

MANNY MACHADO 8 yrs service
Contract : 5.21 million 2019
So i can offer Manny a 5 yr contract @5.25 million
Correct

So i can offer Manny a 5 yr contract @5.25 million
Correct?

Oops, sorry. If you offer a contract extension you have to meet this minimum:

Section X.08 CONTRACT MINIMUMS In order to offer a certain amount of years to a player, you must also offer a certain amount of money. The longer the contract, the more money you need to offer. These are minimums to offer, regardless if another team has made another offer. Contract minimums are intended to prevent unrealistic contract signings such as five years for $0.50 a year.

1 year = $500,000 per season ($0.50)
2 years = $1 million per season ($1.00)
3 years = $2 million per season ($2.00)
4 years = $3 million per season ($3.00)
5 years = $4 million per season ($4.00)
6 years = $5 million per season ($5.00)
7 years = $6 million per season ($6.00)

so for 6+ year players it's their current SOM price (no top 25% or anything) but for 5th year guys it's top25%

phil....you posted the minimums for free agency not contract extensions.

Section I.06 Example 3: Michael Brantley is drafted in the initial draft at a salary of $6,020,000. He has 9 years of service time. Since he has more than 6 years of service time the owner is free to extend the contract any number of years as long as the contract minimums in Section 10.08 are met.

ok. so 6+ year guys can be extended at their SOM price or that chart (whichever is higher)

what about my question regarding 5 year service guys

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ BREAKING NEWS+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The Cape Bear Jets announced today that 3B Manny Machado has agreed to a 5 year deal worth 26.5 million(5.25 per yr) locking the 3B up for 6 yrs.Manager Pork "CHOPS"Murphy,"We are pleased to have a player like Manny to help guide our young players in this new and exciting league."
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