Moneyball Baseball League Chat

Staying safe is the key. Unfortunately this virus will be with us until there is a vaccine. Hopefully we are all holed up with people we like and who like us, or at least who tolerate us.

I fixed Urshela. Yes people should double check their roster lists for salary and service time accuracy.

Does the super advanced injury system that we are using still prevent one's last healthy catcher on roster from becoming injured? Sorry for the question but I haven't used these rules before.

Does the super advanced injury system that we are using still prevent one's last healthy catcher on roster from becoming injured? Sorry for the question but I haven't used these rules before.

Yes. The last healthy catcher is iron man.

Thanks

ROSTER SIZE:

There have been a number of questions about the minimum roster size rules. Article 6 Sections 3 & 4 establish the roster size for teams, however the rule in Article 6 Section 9 seems to contradict this rule. This is the result of my borrowing standard roster rules from draft keeper leagues in which teams are required to get down to no fewer than 30 players prior to a seasonal draft. Given that we are establishing a league based on long term contracts and free agency, this rule is unnecessary and I will be cutting it.

After the draft each team will be contractually obligated to 40 players plus up to 10 prospects. As your roster shrinks due to free agency you will have to enter the free agent market to replace those players. You will need to fill out your 40 man roster before the end of the free agency period.

On a related topic, one rule I haven't included is penalties for teams that exceed the salary cap. I would like to hear your suggestions for such penalties but my initial thought was to require teams to cut players until their salary falls below the $140 million cap. Those teams would be required to carry those players on their rosters as salary costs for the duration of their contracts, but would be unable to use those players during any season until they come back into compliance. Thoughts?

Phil

1: Teams not under cap before season begins
..have to arrange a trade or drop a player / players to get under cap.
2. ALL player(s) dropped become FA and Commish will hold 24 hr bidding war and award player ( since this is our 1st yr the cost of player shall reflect his SOM price of 2019.)Even is the bid is higher(ex: Team A drops 1.2 million player to get under cap....New Team pays 1.5 million in open bidding...but sal for player will be his SOM price for 2019.
3:If no bids.... the player closest to amount over the amount must be dropped ( OVER NOT UNDER)
4: ALL BIDDING TEAMS must have cap room to bid.($140,000,000)
5:Team who receives player will be allowed to drop a player to stay within roster guidelines

Just thinking:Some people might go over every year and than this becomes a problem so what i thought was this

Every Owner has 1 freebie......that makes it fair for everyone ...2nd offence Owner loses his #1 prospect PIck....that will stop this from reoccurring....

Another problem i thought of is the trading of prospect picks....IT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED AT ALL. I have been playing on line computer leagues for 30 plus years... Owners trade all draft picks for superstars in playoff runs and when team tanks....they quit and new owner is left holding the cards that are horrible.....i dont mind if 2 teams swap #1 in the deal(within 2yrs) but leagues have taken over a team that nobody wants and its usually the commish

I don't understand why teams would ever be allowed to go over the cap in the first place. It's clearly stated in the rules that this is a hard cap and you have already warned us about watching our cap space as we make our final picks in this initial draft. Surely nobody's going to be allowed to go over during this draft. It's also stated in the free agency rules that you can't make an offer that will put you over the cap. As far as trades go, in a normal keeper league I believe there are allowances made to drop a player if you make a trade that puts you over the cap to get you back under. But in this league we can't just drop a player mid season to get rid of a contract, so if there are going to be some allowances made for trading purposes, it would have to be during the off season wouldn't it? Personally I don't have a problem with just having a hard cap that you are not allowed to exceed keeping in mind that you may need some cap space if you have players awaiting their final arbitration price. If you think that's too harsh than let's at least agree to keep it to a bare minimum and apply whatever penalty you think is fair.
Just as an edit, I think I should have asked you Phil what circumstances do you anticipate leading to teams to going over the limit? Initial draft (an easy no imo), trades, free agency, arbitration results or all the above?

It would seem to me that, in theory at least, you could inadvertently go over the cap if you have a half dozen or more players arbitration eligible, and all or a majority win their cases at far higher salaries than could have been imagined. To me that's different than someone going over the cap in this initial draft, which would have to be considered intentional.

You do need to have some cap space for arbitration no doubt, but if you've been carrying 3 players at say $1 the year before they become eligible for arbitration, and all have exceedingly good years, that could cost you $12-15 million additionally in salary if they come in even as low as $5-6 M. It's hard to see any team having that kind of cap space under those circumstances.

I agree Madal it's arbitration that is the gray area. The other situations can and should in my opinion be cut and dried, can't go over in this draft, can't make a trade or a free agent bid that would put you over. We probably do have to make an allowance for the arbitration situation you describe but it would be my hope that everybody does their best to making this a rare occurrence. If we make the penalty what Phil suggested of keeping a player on the roster but not playing him, I would suggest that the player benched be one of the arbitrated players. Let's say you have 3 players that just got arbitration salaries of $6mil each and that put you over the cap by 2mil It wouldn't be much of a penalty if you get to put one of your $2m bench scrubs in limbo. But if it had to be one of the $6m players that would make us be more careful of running in to that predicament. Just my thoughts.