Moneyball Baseball Contract Thread

also, looking at dharmabums as an example. Should 32 Mitch Keller be 600,000 for next year and 31 Shaun Anderson 600,000 also. as by then they will be on 2nd year level?

thanks in advance for answering these 2 posts

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also, looking at dharmabums as an example. Should 32 Mitch Keller be 600,000 for next year and 31 Shaun Anderson 600,000 also. as by then they will be on 2nd year level?

thanks in advance for answering these 2 posts

Ah yes. This looks correct. Fixed in my post. Thanks

also, looking at dharmabums as an example. Should 32 Mitch Keller be 600,000 for next year and 31 Shaun Anderson 600,000 also. as by then they will be on 2nd year level?

thanks in advance for answering these 2 posts

I noticed this yesterday but with everything else going on I kinda forgot about it. Here is the wording for league minimums.
MAJOR LEAGUE SALARIES: Players with less than 6 years of service time use the following contract schedule.

Up to 1 year: $500,000
Up to 2 years: $600,000
Up to 3 years: $700,000
Up to 4 years: $2,000,000
Up to 5 years: $3,000,000
Up to 6 years: $4,000,000
Until yesterday I had been interpreting this as up to and including 1 year: $500,000, up to and including 2 years: $600,000 and so on. Then when PaulJ did his contracts I noticed that Phil had filled in his 1 year players at $600,000. I didn't understand why. It can't be because they are at 2nd year level. Keller and Anderson have just played 2019 and it was their 1st year in the majors. They are being given contracts for 2020 before the season is played just as they would in real life. Those contracts should be based on having 1 year of service i.e. $500,000. Please tell me that there isn't still people that think our replaying the 2019 season is somehow adding a year of service to these players. We've already covered this. And if you think Keller and Anderson are at 2nd year level why aren't the 3 year guys getting treated as if they have 4 years? Sorry guys if I sound a little frustrated.

Until yesterday I had been interpreting this as up to and including 1 year: $500,000, up to and including 2 years: $600,000 and so on. Then when PaulJ did his contracts I noticed that Phil had filled in his 1 year players at $600,000. I didn't understand why. It can't be because they are at 2nd year level. Keller and Anderson have just played 2019 and it was their 1st year in the majors. They are being given contracts for 2020 before the season is played just as they would in real life. Those contracts should be based on having 1 year of service i.e. $500,000. Please tell me that there isn't still people that think our replaying the 2019 season is somehow adding a year of service to these players. We've already covered this. And if you think Keller and Anderson are at 2nd year level why aren't the 3 year guys getting treated as if they have 4 years? Sorry guys if I sound a little frustrated.

I suspect the COTs data is causing some confusion. Remember that years of service are rounded up. If you have a player you drafted, like Mitch Keller, who is listed at having 1 year of service in 2019, he will start 2020 at 2 years of service. The first year of his service clock was used up when he got a card for the 2019 season. The second year of his service clock will have been used up when he gets a 2020 card. You are paying for a card that has not yet been produced.

I realize that Keller is listed as having .059 years of service by COTs, so it seems unfair to burn an entire year for a few weeks of service, but he produced a card in 2019 and that card can be used for the entire year. The year 2020 will be his second year of service for our purposes.

Phil

Summary of the Contract Rules

There has been a lot of confusion around signing contract extensions. Much of it is the result of the experimental nature of the rules I created, and the fact that I am not a lawyer.

There are four categories of players to be potentially signed to an extension after the draft: players with 6+ years of service (FA in 2020), players with 5 years of service (arb3 in 2020), players with 3 to 4 years of service (arb 1 or 2 in2020), and players with 1 to 2 years of service (pre-arb). Since every player you drafted is considered to be on a one year contract, you are not obligated to extend anyone. Each category of players is using a different set of contract rules for the purposes of offering a contract extension. Those rules are as follows:

Players with 6+ years of service use the Free Agency rules (Article X) for the purposes of determining contract extensions. Under these rules a player can be signed for any number of years at their current salary or the Contract Minimum, whichever is higher. For example, Paul Long could sign Matt Carpenter to a 1 or 2 year extension at his current salary of $1.3 mil, or a 3 year extension at $2 mil. His price would go up for each additional year of contract length.

Contract Minimums:
1 year = $500,000 per season ($0.50)
2 years = $1 million per season ($1.00)
3 years = $2 million per season ($2.00)
4 years = $3 million per season ($3.00)
5 years = $4 million per season ($4.00)
6 years = $5 million per season ($5.00)
7+ years = $6 million per season ($6.00)

Players with 5 years of service use the Contract Rules (Article IX) for the purposes of resigning (Art. 9 Sect 6) or determining contract extensions (Art. 9 Sect 9b). Under these rules a 5th year, or ARB 3, player can be resigned for one year at their current salary or the league minimum of $4,000,000 (whichever is higher) OR he can be extended for a minimum of five years at his current salary or the average salary of the top 25% of players at his primary position (whichever is higher). If the player is not offered a contract extension, he becomes a free agent at the end of the year.

ARB 3
top 25%
All Hitters $ 7.38
c $ 5.09
1b $ 7.96
2b $ 6.91
3b $ 8.45
ss $ 7.38
lf $ 5.41
cf $ 7.31
rf $ 8.64


sp $ 6.45
rp $ 4.47

Players with 3 to 4 years of service use the same contract rules but can be extended at their current salary or the average salary of the top 50% of players at his primary position, whichever is most favorable to the team owner. This is the only group of players who can receive contract extensions at a lower price than their card price in 2019. Remember, rule 9.6 allows you to resign the player at their current salary or the contract minimum based on their arb year ($2 mil for arb 1 guys and $3 mil for arb 2 guys), whichever is higher. You do not need to offer a contract extension or take them to arbitration if you are happy with their current salary or are willing to pay the contract minimum.

top 50%
All Hitters $ 5.66
c $ 4.01
1b $ 6.69
2b $ 5.18
3b $ 6.68
ss $ 5.44
lf $ 4.88
cf $ 5.38
rf $ 7.16


sp $ 5.11
rp $ 3.92

Players with 1 to 2 years of service can be renewed next season at their current salary or the Major League Minimum Salary (Article IX Sect. 5), whichever is higher.

Section 9.05 MAJOR LEAGUE MINIMUM SALARIES: Players with less than 6 years of service time use the following contract schedule.

(a) Up to 1 year: $500,000
(b) Up to 2 years: $600,000
(c) Up to 3 years: $700,000
(d) Up to 4 years: $2,000,000
(e) Up to 5 years: $3,000,000
(f) Up to 6 years: $4,000,000

Until yesterday I had been interpreting this as up to and including 1 year: $500,000, up to and including 2 years: $600,000 and so on. Then when PaulJ did his contracts I noticed that Phil had filled in his 1 year players at $600,000. I didn't understand why. It can't be because they are at 2nd year level. Keller and Anderson have just played 2019 and it was their 1st year in the majors. They are being given contracts for 2020 before the season is played just as they would in real life. Those contracts should be based on having 1 year of service i.e. $500,000. Please tell me that there isn't still people that think our replaying the 2019 season is somehow adding a year of service to these players. We've already covered this. And if you think Keller and Anderson are at 2nd year level why aren't the 3 year guys getting treated as if they have 4 years? Sorry guys if I sound a little frustrated.

I suspect the COTs data is causing some confusion. Remember that years of service are rounded up. If you have a player you drafted, like Mitch Keller, who is listed at having 1 year of service in 2019, he will start 2020 at 2 years of service. The first year of his service clock was used up when he got a card for the 2019 season. The second year of his service clock will have been used up when he gets a 2020 card. You are paying for a card that has not yet been produced.

I realize that Keller is listed as having .059 years of service by COTs, so it seems unfair to burn an entire year for a few weeks of service, but he produced a card in 2019 and that card can be used for the entire year. The year 2020 will be his second year of service for our purposes.

Phil

This makes no sense. I have Victor Reyes who has 1.08 years of service on Cott's and is rounded up to 2 years. I just renewed his contract for 2020 as a 2 yr guy. If 2020 will be Keller's second year of service for our purposes then why wouldn't 2020 be Reyes 3rd year of service for our purposes. Phil I know you have said you have life things going on and I empathize with that. Can't be easy and then there's all the work you're putting in on this league. But I'm not confused about this issue. 2019 contracts are done. First year players like Bo Bichette and Mitch Keller got paid what their SOM cards were priced at. They are now getting contracts for 2020 as 1 year players. At the end of 2020 they will have 2 years of service. The contracts they get for 2021 will be as 2year guys. If this isn't getting through to people than I give up. Just let me know when opening day is and i'll put in my team.

This makes no sense. I have Victor Reyes who has 1.08 years of service on Cott's and is rounded up to 2 years. I just renewed his contract for 2020 as a 2 yr guy. If 2020 will be Keller's second year of service for our purposes then why wouldn't 2020 be Reyes 3rd year of service for our purposes. Phil I know you have said you have life things going on and I empathize with that. Can't be easy and then there's all the work you're putting in on this league. But I'm not confused about this issue. 2019 contracts are done. First year players like Bo Bichette and Mitch Keller got paid what their SOM cards were priced at. They are now getting contracts for 2020 as 1 year players. At the end of 2020 they will have 2 years of service. The contracts they get for 2021 will be as 2year guys. If this isn't getting through to people than I give up. Just let me know when opening day is and i'll put in my team.

Randy,
First of all, those last two lines are very insulting. I apologize that I don't have the intelligence or SOM experience to be able to play with you.
Second, I'm seeing things as Phil as said them, and that means my guy Keller gets treated as a 1 yr player for the 2019 season and a 2 year player for the 2020 season. However, I'm fine with re-interpreting them in the way that you have described, if that is the consensus of the league.
Best,
Mark (dharmabums)

I have Victor Reyes who has 1.08 years of service on Cott's and is rounded up to 2 years. I just renewed his contract for 2020 as a 2 yr guy. If 2020 will be Keller's second year of service for our purposes then why wouldn't 2020 be Reyes 3rd year of service for our purposes.

Randy, 2020 IS Reyes third year of service! That's why the 2021 column says he is ARB 1 eligible that year. Victor Reyes had a card in 2018 (1st year of service). He had a card in 2019 (2nd year of service). You just signed him to a one year extension for 2020, his THIRD YEAR OF SERVICE. His COTs number as of the time of the draft was 1.084 rounded up to 2 for the purposes of years of service in the 2019 card season.

Phil