Moneyball Baseball Contract Thread

This makes no sense. I have Victor Reyes who has 1.08 years of service on Cott's and is rounded up to 2 years. I just renewed his contract for 2020 as a 2 yr guy. If 2020 will be Keller's second year of service for our purposes then why wouldn't 2020 be Reyes 3rd year of service for our purposes. Phil I know you have said you have life things going on and I empathize with that. Can't be easy and then there's all the work you're putting in on this league. But I'm not confused about this issue. 2019 contracts are done. First year players like Bo Bichette and Mitch Keller got paid what their SOM cards were priced at. They are now getting contracts for 2020 as 1 year players. At the end of 2020 they will have 2 years of service. The contracts they get for 2021 will be as 2year guys. If this isn't getting through to people than I give up. Just let me know when opening day is and i'll put in my team.

Randy,
First of all, those last two lines are very insulting. I apologize that I don't have the intelligence or SOM experience to be able to play with you.
Second, I'm seeing things as Phil as said them, and that means my guy Keller gets treated as a 1 yr player for the 2019 season and a 2 year player for the 2020 season. However, I'm fine with re-interpreting them in the way that you have described, if that is the consensus of the league.
Best,
Mark (dharmabums)

Mark it blows my mind that you think I was implying that you don't have the intelligence or the experience to play with me. I never mentioned your name and the stuff I was talking about was how the league works in a general sense not your specific case with Keller. My choice of words with "if this isn't getting through to people" wasn't meant to insult you or anyone else and I sincerely apologize to anyone who took it as an insult. I should have used better words to express my frustration. I thought the whole years of service was working one way and now I come to find out it works another way. And that's after we've had long discussions about this back in the chat thread. Same goes for you Phil. I apologize if you thought I was questioning your intelligence or trying to insult you in any way. Anybody who knows me would tell you that's the last thing I would ever intentionally do. This is your league and I'll go with whatever vision you have for it.

This makes no sense. I have Victor Reyes who has 1.08 years of service on Cott's and is rounded up to 2 years. I just renewed his contract for 2020 as a 2 yr guy. If 2020 will be Keller's second year of service for our purposes then why wouldn't 2020 be Reyes 3rd year of service for our purposes. Phil I know you have said you have life things going on and I empathize with that. Can't be easy and then there's all the work you're putting in on this league. But I'm not confused about this issue. 2019 contracts are done. First year players like Bo Bichette and Mitch Keller got paid what their SOM cards were priced at. They are now getting contracts for 2020 as 1 year players. At the end of 2020 they will have 2 years of service. The contracts they get for 2021 will be as 2year guys. If this isn't getting through to people than I give up. Just let me know when opening day is and i'll put in my team.

Randy,
First of all, those last two lines are very insulting. I apologize that I don't have the intelligence or SOM experience to be able to play with you.
Second, I'm seeing things as Phil as said them, and that means my guy Keller gets treated as a 1 yr player for the 2019 season and a 2 year player for the 2020 season. However, I'm fine with re-interpreting them in the way that you have described, if that is the consensus of the league.
Best,
Mark (dharmabums)

Mark it blows my mind that you think I was implying that you don't have the intelligence or the experience to play with me. I never mentioned your name and the stuff I was talking about was how the league works in a general sense not your specific case with Keller. My choice of words with "if this isn't getting through to people" wasn't meant to insult you or anyone else and I sincerely apologize to anyone who took it as an insult. I should have used better words to express my frustration. I thought the whole years of service was working one way and now I come to find out it works another way. And that's after we've had long discussions about this back in the chat thread. Same goes for you Phil. I apologize if you thought I was questioning your intelligence or trying to insult you in any way. Anybody who knows me would tell you that's the last thing I would ever intentionally do. This is your league and I'll go with whatever vision you have for it.

No problems, Randy. Just a text/email/message board wording issue. I do appreciate the points you’ve been raising. Helps me better understand all the subtleties in this league. Makes it a very cool league. And I’m glad you’re in it. Mark

Thanks Mark I appreciate that.

The Ellicott City Torrent have reached contract extensions with the following players:


6+ Years of Service Players
Betts, Mookie -- 6 years x $10,120,000
Rizzo, Anthony -- 4 years x $8,520,000
Springer, George -- 3 years x $8,190,000
Abreu, Jose -- 3 years x $4,800,000
Stanton, Giancarlo -- 5 years x $4,000,000
Paxton, James -- 3 years x 3,300,000
Chapman, Aroldis -- 3 years x 4,080,000
May, Trevor -- 3 years x $3,050,000

5 years of Service Players
Neris, Hector – taking to arbitration (arb 3)
Ross, Joe – taking to arbitration (arb 3)
Correa, Carlos – taking to arbitration (arb 3)

3-4 Years of Service Players
Giolito, Lucas – 4 years x $5,110,000
Berrios, Jose -- 4 years x $5,110,000
Maeda, Kenta – 4 years x $5,110,000
Lamet, Dinelson – taking to arbitration (arb 1)
Alvarado, Jose – taking to arbitration (arb 1)
Rosario, Amed – taking to arbitration (arb 1)
Sanchez, Gary -- 4 years x $4,010,000
Gallo, Joey -- 4 years x $5,380,000


1-2 Years of Service Players are renewed
Fletcher, David -- $5,020,000
Rodgers, Brendan -- $600,000
Diaz, Isan -- $600,000
Riley, Austin -- $920,000
Kiner-Falefa, Isiah -- $750,000
Brinson, Lewis -- $700,000
Davis, J.D. -- $3,480,000
Buehler, Walker -- $6,260,000
Duplantier, Jon -- $860,000
Cease, Dylan -- $600,000
Webb, Logan -- $600,000
Sheffield, Justus -- $600,000
Baez, Michel -- $2,000,000

Free Agents
Donaldson, Josh
Solano, Donovan
Vogt, Stephen
Gardner, Brett
Sanchez, Aaron
Bass, Anthony
Hudson, Daniel
Smith, Kevan

2020 Salary Cap Space used = $96,770,000

I'm hoping someone can clear this up for me. This is just a question not me trying to say the way things should be. I'll need your help. Go to Paul Kiggins spreadsheet. Go down to Richard Urena. He is a 1yr player who has been renewed for $600,000. This to me means his contract in 2020 is handled as a player with 2 years of service just like Phil said with Keller and Anderson. Is this correct? Now go up to Adam Frazier. He is a 4yr player who Paul has extended for 4 years. Beginning with 2020 and going through 2023 Phil has filled in his salary at $5.18 per year. This to me means his contract in 2020 is handled as a player with 4 years of service. For the life of me I can't figure out why Urena goes from 1 year to 2 for the purposes of the 2020 contract yet Frazier stays at 4. Is anyone else confused by this or am I the only one who can't seem to wrap my head around it?

Now go up to Adam Frazier. He is a 4yr player who Paul has extended for 4 years. Beginning with 2020 and going through 2023 Phil has filled in his salary at $5.18 per year. This to me means his contract in 2020 is handled as a player with 4 years of service. For the life of me I can't figure out why Urena goes from 1 year to 2 for the purposes of the 2020 contract yet Frazier stays at 4.

Frazier doesn't stay at four years, rather his last two years of arbitration have been bought out with a four year contract that begins in the 2020 season. Compare him to Margot, who completed his 4th year of service in 2019, and is entering his 5th year (arb 2) in 2020.

Remember, we are playing with last years cards, so a carded player who was a rookie last year, like Richard Urena, has completed 1 year of service. In the COTs contracts, that player would be listed as having 0.01 to 1.0 years of service depending on whether they were called up sometime during the season or were on the roster for the entire year. For Richard Urena that would be 0.156 years of service in the 2019 season, rounded up to 1 year for our purposes. When putting that player on the books for the as yet to be played 2020 season, we are signing him for service time he has not yet performed in the real world but will have performed by the time the cards are printed. For Richard Urena that would be 0.156 +1.0 = 1.156 rounded up to 2. Does that make sense?

Now go up to Adam Frazier. He is a 4yr player who Paul has extended for 4 years. Beginning with 2020 and going through 2023 Phil has filled in his salary at $5.18 per year. This to me means his contract in 2020 is handled as a player with 4 years of service. For the life of me I can't figure out why Urena goes from 1 year to 2 for the purposes of the 2020 contract yet Frazier stays at 4.

Frazier doesn't stay at four years, rather his last two years of arbitration have been bought out with a four year contract that begins in the 2020 season. Compare him to Margot, who completed his 4th year of service in 2019, and is entering his 5th year (arb 2) in 2020.

Remember, we are playing with last years cards, so a carded player who was a rookie last year, like Richard Urena, has completed 1 year of service. In the COTs contracts, that player would be listed as having 0.01 to 1.0 years of service depending on whether they were called up sometime during the season or were on the roster for the entire year. For Richard Urena that would be 0.156 years of service in the 2019 season, rounded up to 1 year for our purposes. When putting that player on the books for the as yet to be played 2020 season, we are signing him for service time he has not yet performed in the real world but will have performed by the time the cards are printed. For Richard Urena that would be 0.156 +1.0 = 1.156 rounded up to 2. Does that make sense?

I hope so. I definitely get the Cot's contract stuff. Guess I was/am just struggling with how it gets applied. I'm a little worried now with the contract decisions I made since I was using a different frame of reference. I'll have a look and see if there's anything I'd like to change. Thanks for your help.

No I guess I'll leave things the way they are and cross my fingers. One thing I noticed. Ketel Marte was extended for 4 years at $5.18 but he's down on my sheet as arbitration. Thanks again Phil for your help.

One thing I noticed. Ketel Marte was extended for 4 years at $5.18 but he's down on my sheet as arbitration.

So what is your desire for Marte?

I extended him for 4 years.