WHY limit the pre 1900 players to 2nd tier?

Whether the majority want the pre1900 cards included is open for debate. Less than half of us vote and less than half of those who vote is sufficient to get a card in through the voting process.

Was Ross Barnes added by vote or by strat?

Whether the majority want the pre1900 cards included is open for debate. Less than half of us vote and less than half of those who vote is sufficient to get a card in through the voting process.

Hmm, sound a LOT like the elections-
Less than half the people are choosing a president too-
but guess what - you are now advocating for penalizing the people that bothered to spend the time voting.

Have to wonder if maybe some civics classes aren't a bad thing for some folks.

Does anyone know why you can't download the ATG9 All Eras into a spreadsheet? Of if you can, how do you do it?

thanks,

Salt, start a poll, lets see what folks actually want. Since when do ATG subsets get top billing. Hint, until yesterday...never.

That a subset is considered all possible players is in itself absurd. That there are too many players in a set called "All Time Greats" is equally absurd, but this is what the players of this online game have worked towards and for over the last 15 years. In 1876 the National League was formed and in 1901 the American League was formed, it wasn't until 1903 that there was a World Series. What was the big rule after 1899 change that allows 1900 as being the definitive year? Catchers were required to remained behind the batter in 1901, that's it. Freak baseball deliveries weren't banned until 1920. Minimum home run distance of 250 feet wasn't put into play until 1925. Cork wasn't even included in the baseball until 1910. It wasn't until 1959 that distances of 325 down lines and 400 feet to center were required. It wasn't until 1953 that players were banned from leaving their gloves on the field when they went to bat.

Eliminating Pre 1900 players is an arbitrary process that has nothing to do with the history or the inclusion of the players as agreed to by the players of this game. Or they ineligible for the Hall of Fame? No, apparently they can be All Time Greats in Canton just not in the default set.

This is a math puzzle disguised as baseball, more pieces when they are truly part of the puzzle improve the puzzle. I am glad the Barnstormers chose to use all players as the benchmark of play. Most interesting beginning in 1903 and codified into major league contracts in 1910 owners banned their players from "barnstorming" with other leagues as when they lost they made the owners look bad. I guess there is just a natural tendency to restrict things inherent in control of baseball.

You can agree or disagree, but I think the logic is that 1900 (or 1901) are considered the start of Modern baseball.

The rules changed a LOT from 1877 to 1903 (Foul strike rule adopted by the AL).

In 1884, Sweeney's year. Six balls were a walk. There was a pitcher's box. HBP didn't get to go to first. They pitched from 50 feet and didn't have to have a foot on the rubber. Foul bunts weren't strikes, there was no infield fly, catcher's didn't squat behind the plate. Bats could have a flat side from 85-93. until 1886 batters could "call" their pitch

It wasn't until 1884 that the National League voted to lift the ban on overhand pitching. The American League allowed pitchers to use a modified sidearm in 1884, as long as their hand didn't raise above the shoulder during release, but then lifted all restrictions on pitching in 1885.

I get the argument that some of these guys are in the HOF, but the logic is because of all these rule changes. Might have been better to set it to 01 or 03. I think they just chose the round number that was close to those magic dates.

https://www.baseball-almanac.com/rulechng.shtml

You can agree or disagree, but I think the logic is that 1900 (or 1901) are considered the start of Modern baseball.

The rules changed a LOT from 1877 to 1903 (Foul strike rule adopted by the AL).

In 1884, Sweeney's year. Six balls were a walk. There was a pitcher's box. HBP didn't get to go to first. They pitched from 50 feet and didn't have to have a foot on the rubber. Foul bunts weren't strikes, there was no infield fly, catcher's didn't squat behind the plate. Bats could have a flat side from 85-93. until 1886 batters could "call" their pitch

It wasn't until 1884 that the National League voted to lift the ban on overhand pitching. The American League allowed pitchers to use a modified sidearm in 1884, as long as their hand didn't raise above the shoulder during release, but then lifted all restrictions on pitching in 1885.

I get the argument that some of these guys are in the HOF, but the logic is because of all these rule changes. Might have been better to set it to 01 or 03. I think they just chose the round number that was close to those magic dates.

https://www.baseball-almanac.com/rulechng.shtml

you are right I can and do disagree-
we've already had these arguments - they've all been had before we, the community, had a chance to vote on including said players- with the exact same knowledge and reasoning as is being rehashed here.

They are clearly already in the set -- they are not 'unleashed' players with too few at bats for a decent sample size.

trying to compare baseball eras is merely a matter of personal preferences - you can make the exact same rationale for not including anyone past 1980 bc of roids-- or a poor incorrect rationale for not including NeL guys (which would not good with me)
its the reality of the era they played in- which is what ATG is about- an attempt to meld players of different eras--
otherwise its not ATG- its PTG or MTG - most or part of the time greats.

Pre 1900 isn't MLB baseball. Why not included Japanese and Korean league players? Be real. If Hugh Duffy were alive today he would be lucky to hit .240, he would never hit .340, let alone .440... It's silly.

You will never ever attract new and younger players to this game with players from the 1800s. And when they try the game and see their hero star players get crushed by 1800s players no one has heard of they aren't going to be happy...

None of those cards from the 1800s had more than perhaps 25 people vote for them out of thousands who play this game...

Besides, the cards aren't gone, they are optional....

Damn, The Last Droid and others make the prices for the set, but it is secretive, no wonder he is afraid to play any other set where he doesn't have a HUGE advantage, and he still can't beat me...

Yes, you Boomers are painting yourselfs in a corner, and you are going to kill this game.

Talk about beating a dead horse.....

yes- dead horse with the same bad arguments that were answered on this very page- you don't even have to read back to see it.

also and again for the nth time- im not a boomer-- not that its really an argument anyway.

PS- its 'radagast THE brown'
other wise its like saying Ruth Justice instead of Ruth THE Supreme Court Justice.
brown is not his last name, its his station.