New Bullpen Problems - easy fix- won't hold breathe

You mean people had been using EVERY role? I was pretty minimal in using roles in ATG8. The more orders HAL is given?’c the worse he performs.

. Strongly agree. Too many degrees of freedom reatrictions and HAL makes worse decisions because the business rules become conflicted.
I let HAL mostly manage all my bullpens now. I posted results of a ten or so team test run on it with good success. Which continues.
I may use avoids and mop up, maybe slow or quick hook but thats it. I dont assign roles otherwise anymore and am much more satisfied with the algorithm behavior.

I worked on BP V2 which to some degree created the super RP. Did that produce unrealistic performances *from that one player, yes. But in a game that already hugely favors hitters And if you knew all the problems we had previously that the new BP logic corrected (too long to list), many of you might prefer the super reliever over losing games late bc of limited and poor decisions from HAL.

Consider this...
Absolutely No Setting, None, has as much impact on your winning or losing than the BP logic.

Consider this...
Absolutely No Setting, None, has as much impact on your winning or losing than the BP logic.

Well stated Nev.

Thank you.

I have much to learn about this game.
For years I drafted Clear and Sambito and assigned them to their obvious roles.
My other relievers, I let Hal decide how they should be used.
I have done that pretty much since I forgot to set the bullpen roles in my most successful team ever, many leagues ago.
A few times I tried unsuccessfully to use the super reliever, probably because I don't truly know how the bullpen works.
I will continue to let Hal make the decisions, except for the right and left handed specialists.

The best way for Hal to make good bullpen decisions...is for your starters to pitch complete games! This limiting to two roles makes coming up with a good bullpen either too expensive or impossible. At least in ATG in lower caps you can have your starters pitch a lot of complete games. In 20XX your really do not have that option.

I worked on BP V2 which to some degree created the super RP.

Well it was and is much improved from BP v1, so thanks!

I could write a book about how we got where we are now...I'll just repeat that imo the Super RP fixed much much more than it didn't.

The boards were very active then, so much so that Strat needed to create "The Bullpen" to take all non baseball chat away from ATG forum bc we posted about everything from Strat to black holes...We also had a "jokes" thread that seemed to go on forever...we talked trash, had fun, had arguments, asked questions of each other that saw bunches of responses, and we complained loud and often, and many here don't have any idea what we went thru to get improvements...All like I said from Very Active Boards.


So when Bernie Hou asked me what was the single most important logic needed to *improve and grow the game*, I explained imo based on reading the boards and the questions I fielded within each league (I routinely had 35-40 active teams going and other managers asked me tons of things)...I told him I felt Nothing chased away newbies and kept casual players, casual players, more than the complaints about the BP logic.

It was never about can vets like Jet40 (his false modesty aside) find ways to win, or win more.

Preach Nev, Preach.

I think we all realize things aren't going back to what they were, still important to understand though how and why decisions now are STILL affected by the same sorts of stuff.

Did we just throw the baby out with the bath water?..... I think after 2 giant steps forward as chronicled by Nev above....we may very well have taken 2 small steps backwards.....time will tell.

Perhaps the community 6...9...maybe 12 months from now will collectively REGRET the new ATG 9 bullpen changes made here recently.