New Bullpen Problems - easy fix- won't hold breathe

Just to be clear, I am on record in my believe the Super reliever was the single biggest problem Strat had and I welcome the changes that were made. In my opinion BP v2, super reliever aside, ran pretty darn good. We get upset when Hal lets the '84 Joe Sambito card face a RH hitter, ignoring the fact that 133 of the 191 batters he faced that year did bat right handed.
Perhaps my ignorance with the bullpen is I have always maintained in real baseball, relievers are overrated and misused. I just don't understand why in the 7th inning, game on the line, the manager opts to leave his 'ace' reliever on the bench.

I have a feeling that the reason that SOM limited the bullpen roles to two is that if three were allowed, many managers would pick these three for their top reliever: 1) Middle Man, 2) Setup and 3) Closer.
That would serve to maximize the number of innings that RP would pitch, and--barring the other bullpen fixes recently implemented-- the number of IP by one's top reliever might pretty nearly approximate what Super Relievers have done in the past.

If a manager can only choose two of the three options above, then that makes a big difference. I understand the urge for more controls, but at the same time, I understand why the control options have been limited to two. It's a decision that I tend to agree with, though I think we have to wait and see how it turns out in practice.

I fee that limiting roles and curbing innings combined with price hikes for relievers was a bit much. One or the other would have sufficed.

I fee that limiting roles and curbing innings combined with price hikes for relievers was a bit much. One or the other would have sufficed.

EXACTLY. I will NOT be paying $7.75 in a sub $160 million league for Sutter if I don't think I have a shot at 150 to 180 innings from him.

I'm sorry, but $7.75 million is way too much for 130 innings of Sutter...he is NOT going to pitch as good as Gagne or Eck or some of the elite R1 guys I can get for $2 million less.

Time will tell, but I would love to see if people are getting 160+ IP out of Sutter or any of the R3 guys like Burke, Sanders, etc. and we reflect back at their success rates come September

I fee that limiting roles and curbing innings combined with price hikes for relievers was a bit much. One or the other would have sufficed.

EXACTLY. I will NOT be paying $7.75 in a sub $160 million league for Sutter if I don't think I have a shot at 150 to 180 innings from him.

I'm sorry, but $7.75 million is way too much for 130 innings of Sutter...he is NOT going to pitch as good as Gagne or Eck or some of the elite R1 guys I can get for $2 million less.

Time will tell, but I would love to see if people are getting 160+ IP out of Sutter or any of the R3 guys like Burke, Sanders, etc. and we reflect back at their success rates come September

Agree with these. Too far. One or the other.

A spot check of the Barnstormer leagues playing under ATG9 that have finished 33 games suggests that RPs pitching 140 to 175 innings are going to be common.

OTOH, in my rapid review, I saw only one RP who was on a pace to pitch more than 200 innings: Wolfgang Mellie, an R5 costing 3.45M.

Mellie has 49.2 IP in 33 games, putting him on a pace to pitch about 245 innings. The league is Barnstormers 2202 Event #1 100-Mil #3. Mellie has pitched in 19 of his team's 33 games,

So it looks as if, even under the new rules, a mid-priced, mid-performance R5 will be able to pitch approximately 250 innings. Whether 7.75M Sutter (R3) or 7.73M Murray (R4) is worth the money in a league where value counts is another question.

That being said, my spot check of Barnstormer league performance so far suggests that the price increases may have have significantly more impact on controlling super-relievers than the changes in the game engine. If Mellie's on a pace to pitching 250 innings, then Murray can probably get close to that, and raising his price to reflect his potential innings pitched might be the correct move.

Just my two cents, of course.

I have a feeling that the reason that SOM limited the bullpen roles to two is that if three were allowed, many managers would pick these three for their top reliever: 1) Middle Man, 2) Setup and 3) Closer.
That would serve to maximize the number of innings that RP would pitch, and--barring the other bullpen fixes recently implemented-- the number of IP by one's top reliever might pretty nearly approximate what Super Relievers have done in the past.

If a manager can only choose two of the three options above, then that makes a big difference. I understand the urge for more controls, but at the same time, I understand why the control options have been limited to two. It's a decision that I tend to agree with, though I think we have to wait and see how it turns out in practice.

Well said.

A spot check of the Barnstormer leagues playing under ATG9 that have finished 33 games suggests that RPs pitching 140 to 175 innings is going to be common.

Please provide LINK to the league you are referring, I'm curious how that is possible.

I used Wolfang and Wilcy Moore DOZENS and DOZENS and DOZENS of times in ATG8 and only got 250 innings out of them ONCE....(now I got 200 innings out of them regularly) but I'm not buying that they can get 250 innings in ATG9 as presently constituted.

I need it proven to me.

A spot check of the Barnstormer leagues playing under ATG9 that have finished 33 games suggests that RPs pitching 140 to 175 innings is going to be common.

I need it proven to me.

No sooner said than done:
Here's a link to Wolfgang's team: https://365.strat-o-matic.com/team/1572145
Here's a link to Wolfgang's card: https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/43 ... 292/447311

As of 33 games, Wolfgang has pitched 49.2 innings. Multiply this IP number by 4.9 to get the rate for 162 games. (4.9 x 33 = approximately 162). At this point, Mellie Wolfgang projects to pitch about 244 innings.

Hmm. Thanks for sharing. This is more than i thought possible in Atg9.

ATG8 Record was 450 innings for relief pitchers. If we can now top out at 250, with higher prices, that feels like a good adjustment by strat.

I do wonder if relievers will get injured more when they have high innings.