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Re: Moneyball Baseball League Chat

PostSat Aug 22, 2020 6:30 pm

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oldmansmith2 wrote:
We still need to vote on the following proposed rule addition:

ARTICLE IX

Section 14: Salary Cap Violation Rule: If a team exceeds the salary cap as the result of an unfavorable arbitration decision, the player whose arbitration decision caused the team to go over the cap is considered to be banned for the season for violations of league substance abuse policies. If more than one player is involved in the arbitration process that resulted in the salary cap violation, the team must get under the salary cap by identifying as few arbitration players as possible to get back into compliance. Each of those "Balco" players will be considered banned for the season. Banned players will remain on the team roster, but the team will not be permitted to participate in free agent signing periods or the prospect draft until they get back under the salary cap.

For example, Team A has spent $130 million in salary cap space before arbitration with three players up for arbitration this year. In a stroke of bad luck these three players are awarded $10 mil, $6 mil, and $4 mil. The team would be required to suspend the $10 mil player for the season as this would involve the suspension of the fewest number of players required to bring the team back into compliance with the salary cap.

sociophil: YES (Proposer)
oldmansmith2 -- yes
Paul_Long71 -- no (I think the team should have the option of banning the 2 lesser salaried players or the higher, not automatically the higher)
dharmabums -- yes
paul j kiggins --yes
srh1200 -- no (I agree with Paul Long, I have a great deal of experience in salary cap leagues and this provision is far too restrictive and penalizing. It is good for the game to always have our best players in it whenever possible...IOW,maximum competition. Frankly, I would rather pay a fine if we must be penalized as the arbitration process is out of our control...penalties work best on honor and integrity issues and since we are not likely to have many issues of honor and integrity, penalties should be a rare occurrence...I'm not saying this is a dealbreaker for me, but you will each be pretty PO'd if your prize bull prospect gets banned because someone decided to pay him more than you expected, mostly because it's not realistic)
madal --yes. It was a close one for me, because I get Paul Long's point, but first I want to see if it ever becomes an issue, and then if this is unworkable, I'd be all in with Paul L.
teamnasty -- yes
chilliards --
baseball cfo -- yes
mykbr1 -- no - I agree with Paul Long and srh1200. I think you should be able to choose. also, not a dealbreaker.
hveed --
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Re: Moneyball Baseball League Chat

PostSun Aug 23, 2020 12:00 am

While I agree that we don't have control over the final SOM price for our arb players, we did have control over the amount of cap space we have going into next year's signings and how many free agents we have to sign with that money and we do have control with how much money we spend on those FA's and how much we leave to cover our arbitrations, And we'll know how those arb players did in 2020 so we may not know to the dollar what they'll come in at but we should be able to make a reasonable guess. Unless strat comes out with some outrageous price on a player, I feel we should only be pissed at ourselves if we lose a good player because we didn't leave some extra breathing space on our arbs. If it ends up that we have some extra cash after all is settled we can put it to use in next season's supplementary free agency. What I don't want to see is someone being able to overspend during free agency and then sit down 3 or 4 cheap arb guys that would have spent the year in the minors anyways because of their poor seasons in order to get back under the cap. I'm not saying anyone would intentionally do this so please don't anyone that has a different opinion on this take offense. Just my take on this issue.
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Re: Moneyball Baseball League Chat

PostSun Aug 23, 2020 12:47 am

Good points oldmansmith....

looks like it's going to pass as the vote is 7-3. or maybe it already has...is it just simple majority or does it need a 2/3 vote?
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Re: Moneyball Baseball League Chat

PostSun Aug 23, 2020 7:35 am

Oldmansmith said what I was thinking. We need another yes for it to pass.
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Re: Moneyball Baseball League Chat

PostSun Aug 23, 2020 8:46 am

Unread postSat Aug 22, 2020 6:03 pm

Madal: drops Miguel Rojas
baseball cfo: drops Jerry Blevins and Austin Pruitt
Paul J Kiggins: drops SP Archie Bradley and RP Phil Maton
dharmabums no drops
teamnasty: drops rp Andrew Miller
Paul_Long: no drops
Oldmansmith: no drops
Sociophil: no drops
Srh1200: no drops

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Hveed
Chilliards
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Re: Moneyball Baseball League Chat

PostSun Aug 23, 2020 10:04 am

Re: Moneyball Baseball League Chat

Madal: drops Miguel Rojas
baseball cfo: drops Jerry Blevins and Austin Pruitt
Paul J Kiggins: drops SP Archie Bradley and RP Phil Maton
dharmabums no drops
teamnasty: drops rp Andrew Miller
Paul_Long: no drops
Oldmansmith: no drops
Sociophil: no drops
Srh1200: no drops
Mykbr1: dropping Drew Pomerancz

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Hveed
Chilliards
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Re: Moneyball Baseball League Chat

PostSun Aug 23, 2020 9:15 pm

I’m changing my mind and will not drop AMiller or anyone else. I don’t have enough cap space to sign beyond this season so there is no point.

That leaves Hveed and Chilliards
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Re: Moneyball Baseball League Chat

PostSun Aug 23, 2020 11:55 pm

need hveed and chilliards for drops and to finish the vote
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Re: Moneyball Baseball League Chat

PostMon Aug 24, 2020 7:21 am

Sept 6 th till Sept 12th i will not be available as i will be travelling across Canada....Paul
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Re: Moneyball Baseball League Chat

PostMon Aug 24, 2020 12:44 pm

No Drops and I vote yes on the arbitration issue.
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