Moneyball Baseball League Chat

"You can cut Viloria if you need roster space for free agent signings in Jan. I'm going to be doing that with several of my players. But it will not free up cap space for your 2020 free agent signings. You renewed his contract of 770,000 for the 2020 season and you are responsible for that contract even if you cut him."

That's not how Sec. 9.08 reads, it says I'm only responsible for a long-term contract, or the contract of a player with more than 6 years service time.

"It's weird because of the situation that we are doing our contract decisions for 2021 in the next couple of weeks but then in January we will be signing free agents who will be able to play for our 2020 teams. That's what we are forced to do because of the lag between the real life season happening and us getting to play the season in stratomatic. I'm ready to do my contracts for 2021 later today so we'll see how that goes."

Yes, very weird. I'd really prefer to go through free agency first, then make decisions on arbitration, renewals, or extensions. Getting a certain player in free agency very likely could affect what I want to do with my controllable players. Now I have to decide on 2021 controllable players first, then go into 2020 free agency. Seems backwards to me.

It actually does make more sense to do the free agency first. We would still have to have the 2021 contracts done before the real life season starts of course. It would require a rule change and maybe Philip might have a good reason for doing the contracts now.

Based on the above, I believe I could cut Viloria (or other similar service time players) to clear roster AND salary cap space because, 1) he's arbitration ineligible (Sec 9.07), 2) has less than 6 years service time and has never been extended (Sec 9.09), 3) not responsible for his salary as he's not on a long-term contract, nor does he have more than 6 years service time (Sec 9.08). Anyone agree or disagree with this?

You are responsible for his contract through the 2020 card seasons because you extended him last spring for the 2020 season.

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As a pre-arb player you are only responsible for Viloria through his current 2020 contract, not for the duration of your control of him. By long term contracts I meant multi-year contracts. While Viloria is under team control through 2024, he is only signed to a one year contract and is not under a long term contract obligation. You are only responsible for his 2020 salary even though you control him through 2024. If you cut him by Nov. 30 he enters waivers and you lose control of him for the 2020 card season. Some one else could pick up his contract on waivers, which would relieve you of the contract obligation.

"It's weird because of the situation that we are doing our contract decisions for 2021 in the next couple of weeks but then in January we will be signing free agents who will be able to play for our 2020 teams. That's what we are forced to do because of the lag between the real life season happening and us getting to play the season in stratomatic. I'm ready to do my contracts for 2021 later today so we'll see how that goes."

Yes, very weird. I'd really prefer to go through free agency first, then make decisions on arbitration, renewals, or extensions. Getting a certain player in free agency very likely could affect what I want to do with my controllable players. Now I have to decide on 2021 controllable players first, then go into 2020 free agency. Seems backwards to me.

It actually does make more sense to do the free agency first. We would still have to have the 2021 contracts done before the real life season starts of course. It would require a rule change and maybe Philip might have a good reason for doing the contracts now.

Remember, any player with arb listed in the 2020 column has already been taken to arbitration. If you cut the player you will still be responsible for his salary through the 2020 SOM season.

I cannot think of a reason why we couldn't make decisions for players we control after free agency since none of those decisions would impact the 2020 season. What do people think about postponing 2021 contract decisions for players under control until after the free agency signing period?

"It's weird because of the situation that we are doing our contract decisions for 2021 in the next couple of weeks but then in January we will be signing free agents who will be able to play for our 2020 teams. That's what we are forced to do because of the lag between the real life season happening and us getting to play the season in stratomatic. I'm ready to do my contracts for 2021 later today so we'll see how that goes."

Yes, very weird. I'd really prefer to go through free agency first, then make decisions on arbitration, renewals, or extensions. Getting a certain player in free agency very likely could affect what I want to do with my controllable players. Now I have to decide on 2021 controllable players first, then go into 2020 free agency. Seems backwards to me.

It actually does make more sense to do the free agency first. We would still have to have the 2021 contracts done before the real life season starts of course. It would require a rule change and maybe Philip might have a good reason for doing the contracts now.

Remember, any player with arb listed in the 2020 column has already been taken to arbitration. If you cut the player you will still be responsible for his salary through the 2020 SOM season.

I cannot think of a reason why we couldn't make decisions for players we control after free agency since none of those decisions would impact the 2020 season. What do people think about postponing 2021 contract decisions for players under control until after the free agency signing period?

I'm all for it. Like madal said it would be nice to know who you have signed through free agency before having to make roster decisions for 2021. We would still have lots of time to do the contracts before the start of the real life 2021 season.

I cannot think of a reason why we couldn't make decisions for players we control after free agency since none of those decisions would impact the 2020 season. What do people think about postponing 2021 contract decisions for players under control until after the free agency signing period?

I'm for it, maybe change the Nov 30 deadline in Sec.9.07 to March 1? That would seem to give plenty of time to work through free agent period.

i agree with madal

Actually, March 1 might be too late, as cards could be out. Would probably need to be Feb 1, or Feb 14.

Feb 01 is perfect

Actually, March 1 might be too late, as cards could be out. Would probably need to be Feb 1, or Feb 14.

It doesn't really matter if the 2020 cards are out when you do your 2021 contract decisions. In fact there would be a slight help in knowing what your arb 1 and 2 guys have come in at rather than just making an educated guess when you are deciding what to do with them in their arb 2 or 3 years in 2021. But that's such a small help that there's really nothing wrong with doing them in February. The only thing that really matters is having the 2021 contracts done before the real life season starts.

Just a heads up guys. srh1200 has not logged into the forums since August and just informed our commish in the "Those were the Days" league that he was not coming back when contacted. Looks like we may need a replacement.