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Prospect Draft

3. Prospect Eligibility: A prospect is defined as any player that has signed a contract with an MLB organization but has no MLB game experience prior to the start of the current MLB season.

ROUND 1

1) MFL536-Austin Martin SS/OF Tor
2) tanman17 - Spencer Torkelson 1B DET
3) Nythawk29921 - Max Meyer SP MIA
4) bigmahon - Triston Casas 1B BOS
5) splinter - Emerson Hancock SP SEA

6) Dharmabums

7) WJS6768
8) MEAT
9) ehlekev
10) MFL536 (via edub1969)
11) Dr. Publix
12) Turtle

Prospect Draft

3. Prospect Eligibility: A prospect is defined as any player that has signed a contract with an MLB organization but has no MLB game experience prior to the start of the current MLB season.

ROUND 1

1) MFL536-Austin Martin SS/OF Tor
2) tanman17 - Spencer Torkelson 1B DET
3) Nythawk29921 - Max Meyer SP MIA
4) bigmahon - Tr iston Casas 1B BOS

5) splinter ' Emerson Hancock SP SEA

6) Dharmabums
7) WJS6768
8) MEAT
9) ehlekev
10) MFL536 (via edub1969)
11) Dr. Publix
12) Turtle

Wait...I trade my 2nd and 3rd round prospect picks to Dr for his 4th round FA next year

Dr to confirm

I’ll take Emerson Hancock SP Sea

Sorry, no deal. You can’t trade picks you don’t have. It’s in the rules.

You can still have Hancock though, since you’re allowed 10 prospects and you only had 9.

Wait...I trade my 2nd and 3rd round prospect picks to Dr for his 4th round FA next year

Dr to confirm

I’ll take Emerson Hancock SP Sea

Sorry, no deal. You can’t trade picks you don’t have. It’s in the rules.

You can still have Hancock though, since you’re allowed 10 prospects and you only had 9.

Am I still in the holding pattern? I'm ready to pick when we're ready to move.

Wait...I trade my 2nd and 3rd round prospect picks to Dr for his 4th round FA next year

Dr to confirm

I’ll take Emerson Hancock SP Sea

Sorry, no deal. You can’t trade picks you don’t have. It’s in the rules.

You can still have Hancock though, since you’re allowed 10 prospects and you only had 9.

This rule has never made sense to me.

To me you don’t stop owning a pick until that turn comes up at which point you have to forfeit it. If you can continue to make moves which would clear roster space so that you could make that pick, don’t you still own it?

For example, if Splinter were to trade, say Dylan Carlson and Jasson Dominguez for my 4th round FA Pick, that would give him back his 2nd and 3rd round prospect picks, correct? And if so, would there be anything stopping him from trading those two picks for Carlson and Dominguez?

I’m not trying to make a big deal out of it or anything, I don’t see why a rule that’s so easily circumvented is even a rule in the first place.

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I will take that Damn Good Dawg Emerson Hancock

Prospect Draft

3. Prospect Eligibility: A prospect is defined as any player that has signed a contract with an MLB organization but has no MLB game experience prior to the start of the current MLB season.

ROUND 1

1) MFL536-Austin Martin SS/OF Tor
2) tanman17 - Spencer Torkelson 1B DET
3) Nythawk29921 - Max Meyer SP MIA
4) bigmahon - Triston Casas 1B BOS
5) splinter - Emerson Hancock SP SEA
6) dharmabums - Corbin Carroll OF ARI

7) WJS6768

8) MEAT
9) ehlekev
10) MFL536 (via edub1969)
11) Dr. Publix
12) Turtle

Wait...I trade my 2nd and 3rd round prospect picks to Dr for his 4th round FA next year

Dr to confirm

I’ll take Emerson Hancock SP Sea

Sorry, no deal. You can’t trade picks you don’t have. It’s in the rules.

You can still have Hancock though, since you’re allowed 10 prospects and you only had 9.

This rule has never made sense to me.

To me you don’t stop owning a pick until that turn comes up at which point you have to forfeit it. If you can continue to make moves which would clear roster space so that you could make that pick, don’t you still own it?

For example, if Splinter were to trade, say Dylan Carlson and Jasson Dominguez for my 4th round FA Pick, that would give him back his 2nd and 3rd round prospect picks, correct? And if so, would there be anything stopping him from trading those two picks for Carlson and Dominguez?

I’m not trying to make a big deal out of it or anything, I don’t see why a rule that’s so easily circumvented is even a rule in the first place.

It’s a fairly common rule, at least in the other keeper leagues I’m in. But we can vote to change it before the start of next year if that’s what people want. I have no problem with that. Too late for this year though; we’re already underway.

For what it’s worth, the rule makes sense to me. Splinter had 9 prospects, meaning he only had room for 1 more. He’s no more entitled to the extra picks than I would be to picks in Rounds 11 - 15 if had only dropped 10 players prior to the Spring FA draft. In both cases, you get exactly the number of picks required to take you to the maximum number allowed.

And the scenario mentioned to circumvent the rule is hypothetical. I think it would be difficult to contrive the deals in a credible way. Carlson and Dominguez for #4 FA is not credible. Neither is Carlson and Dominguez for a #2 and #3 prospect pick. I would question them both immediately, and I would hope others would do the same.

Anyway, like I said happy to consider / vote on any rule before we start drafting in any year.

Fair enough. Thanks for the explanation. I still don’t get it though.

I get that Carlson/Dominguez for a 4th isn’t a fair trade, but if he does find a fair trade for a current prospect, he will get back his 2nd pick, right? Why is it ok to trade players to make room for picks but not ok to trade those picks?

And he could have traded his extra prospect picks prior to the draft starting, when it wasn’t clear that he wouldn’t be able to make them, right? At what point do you stop owning a pick? Why is it not when the pick comes up in the draft?

I get that Carlson/Dominguez for a 4th isn’t a fair trade, but if he does find a fair trade for a current prospect, he will get back his 2nd pick, right? Why is it ok to trade players to make room for picks but not ok to trade those picks?

Because he owns the players. He doesn’t own any picks beyond the number required to make player / prospect rosters full. The idea that we each own 3 prospect picks each year is incorrect, in the same way that thinking we each own 15 FA picks each Spring is incorrect. We own the number of picks required. Of course you acquire a pick for each player / prospect traded, but that’s only because you need that pick to get to the max roster size.

And he could have traded his extra prospect picks prior to the draft starting, when it wasn’t clear that he wouldn’t be able to make them, right?

No, he had 9 prospects on his roster, so it was always clear that he would only have 1 pick barring a trade to get more. He absolutely could have traded one or more prospects to acquire extra picks. But since he a) has very good prospects and b) already had a first round pick, he would have struggled to justify trading any of his current prospects for a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

At what point do you stop owning a pick? Why is it not when the pick comes up in the draft?

You own a pick until you use it or trade it. But back to the main point you only own the number of picks required to fill your roster. There is no absolute number of picks owned.

These are my thoughts anyway. Thanks for listening.