SOM... TIME TO REVIEW INJURIES !!!

Well, what they need to do is to allow for managers to have an Injured Reserve so you can 'bring up' players and 'deactivate' players when they go down just like in the bigs. They should allow for leagues to determine the budget associated with the IR and then when you have an injury you can just replace the player either with a high salary player or low depending on what cap is set with no fear of 5/10/20%.

I never understood why this was never an option.

The reality is that injuries are underdone in SOM and in any simulation. Why? Because you don’t want to deal with your ace pitcher missing the rest of the season with Tommy John surgery. You don’t want to deal with your superstar breaking his arm in the all star game and missing months of time. We want to see our best players play so we play them daily and the risk of injury is far less than realism would require.
There are some who say the injuries are already built into the players cards and to an extent that’s true. Mantle cards lose speed after his knee injuries. So a career altering injury shows in future cards and a career ending injury just means no future cards but really, if we want realism injuries should be possible for the entire season and should be far more frequent in pitching than it currently is.

Of course then we could get into the possibilities of an IR in SOM for longer stretches and can you replace a player and if so how much of the current players salary (if any) do you have available to do so. But that isn’t going to happen

Well, what they need to do is to allow for managers to have an Injured Reserve so you can 'bring up' players and 'deactivate' players when they go down just like in the bigs. They should allow for leagues to determine the budget associated with the IR and then when you have an injury you can just replace the player either with a high salary player or low depending on what cap is set with no fear of 5/10/20%.

I never understood why this was never an option.

I agree with your general idea but with more stringent salary requirements for any taxi squad, like all players that can be brought up are under $1M. Agree 100% a taxi squad with no drop penalty.
It's not like if Lajoie went down with a 15 game injury having Eddie Collins on the Triple A roster as a fill in ever would happen. Injuries are built into pricing, take the risk, maybe get rewarded with 150 games, maybe have Dick Green brought up for a pair of 15 game stints of Nap getting hurt.

Good points.

Injuries could also be turned on/off completely as an option--but enforcing plate appearance, inning, or game limits, as sometimes done in replay leagues.

All in all though, these aren't strict replay leagues--they are more like "what-if" leagues and since the pricing includes a standard mathematical way of accounting for injuries, it is better than aiming for a holy grail of injury accounting--which does not have a universal solution most would agree on anyway.

Careful for what you guys ask for.

For 3+ years there were a dozen or so VOCAL individuals on the boards that clamored for a REVISION of the bullpen engine in ATG8.....thus for ATG 9 the VOCAL MINORITY won and screwed up a flawed and yet decent ATG8 bullpen engine and made if FAR WORSE. I wish we could go back to ATG8 bullpen and for the record I never asked nor supported the bullpen engine changes before hand. I believed then and believe now that re-pricing of the RPs could and would fix the issues of over abuse.

Haven't you learned? If SOM were to address the injury issues you are raising I would suspect the solution to be worse than the status quo.

what he said

Yup. I'm all about improvements, but the clamor over injuries seems like a non-issue because it is already priced in to every card.

Not sure what would be the ideal state for those proposing a change.

Yup. I'm all about improvements, but the clamor over injuries seems like a non-issue because it is already priced in to every card.

Not sure what would be the ideal state for those proposing a change.

This ....

Why can't there just be a simple tiering type effect:

600+ = 3 games max
550+ = 6 games max
500+ = 9 games max
<500 = 15 games max

Or something along those lines?

I think the point is well taken re: the injuries and the magic threshold. But there has to be thresholds somewhere, so I guess there is never a perfect solution to that.

As chris s said...For me at least, in the scheme of things, it is not even a minor annoyance because it is already priced into every player's card. What bothers me more is the example Lab gave in a separate post re: the hold logic. That's a structural problem that randomly screws up results.
http://forum.365.strat-o-matic.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=649856&sid=626e06079fba212a536d44a3e5405344

To the other point, it is a good thing those inflated batting numbers went out with the modern players. Thankfully, they haven't used PEDs, better equipment, closer fences, pristine fields, smaller strike zones, a fat/old/bad fielder-guy hitter only rule, or enhanced rules against beanball.

Just playing devil's advocate.

Yeah, except for one thing, in 1900 there might have been 100,000 white American men who grew up playing baseball. Nowadays there are hundreds of millions of kids worldwide who play baseball, and guess what, it ain't just for white boys anymore.

If we sent Tatis Jr back in time he would hit 100 Hrs and embarrassed Babe Ruth. And if we sent Ruth forward to 2021 he might be lucky to hit 20 HRs off today's pitching.
One more thing, at least 75% of the pitchers Ruth homered off of would not make a Double AA team today.

The player pool is quite literally thousands of times bigger with millions more players.

Well, what they need to do is to allow for managers to have an Injured Reserve so you can 'bring up' players and 'deactivate' players when they go down just like in the bigs. They should allow for leagues to determine the budget associated with the IR and then when you have an injury you can just replace the player either with a high salary player or low depending on what cap is set with no fear of 5/10/20%.

I never understood why this was never an option.

I agree with this sound logic 100%. It's pretty bush league not to have an injured reserve for the supposedly most realistic baseball simulation game there is.