WFT Is Leaving Rps in to F0 Most of the Time Now!

. The adaptation I made for my own approach to the new BP v3 fiasco leaves me spitting nails at the morning results over BP management less often than it did prior to my shift.

Thats probably as good as one can hope for...
don't know who 'roasted' you for what you said, but now am definitely interested in hearing it.

I've said this a hundred times to fix the super reliever dilemma all they had to do was change Dale Murrays R rating from 4 to 1, Sutters 3 to 2 and Tim Burkes from 3 to 2. Most problems would have been solved.

I've said this a hundred times is to fix the super reliever dilemma all they had to do was change Dale Murrays R rating from 4 to 1, Sutters 3 to 2 and Tim Burkes from 3 to 2. Most problems would have been solved.

LMAO- plus a couple of the other lower priced guys and that would've been the smart solution.
poor Occam hasn't been able to shave in months.

I've said this a hundred times is to fix the super reliever dilemma all they had to do was change Dale Murrays R rating from 4 to 1, Sutters 3 to 2 and Tim Burkes from 3 to 2. Most problems would have been solved.

LMAO- plus a couple of the other lower priced guys and that would've been the smart solution.
poor Occam hasn't been able to shave in months.

Simple solutions? Such folly when everyone knows fixes must be complicated to be good
Yep--incremental small changes on this one would have maybe yielded less drastic changes to the overall game.
It essentially removed stud relievers/closers as a valid strategy consideration except as high cap roster fillers. So now we all just fight over the low priced one-sided guys.

In 20XX relief seems to be fine and in line with starters. Relievers are usable at all parts of the price spectrum. But ATG has a problem af this point. I think pricing for relievers needs to be cheaper because four aces is hard to compete with when they can throw almost all your innings and you can spend nothing on relief. Maybe they need to increase the price of *S8 and *S9 starters, too? Something is clearly out of balance.

I don't disagree freeman, but a couple big differences with the 20xx game in general, at least recent years--

- seems generally looking at a narrow choice of stadiums mostly within a similar performance envelope
- modern pitcher endurance ratings are in the S5-S7 range typically, so the game is very different
- many less players, so team strategies are highly dependent on the outcomes of the draft; really is mostly draft-driven rather than selecting a strategy and implementing.

Heck at some caps I don't even participate in waivers and just wait until I can adjust to opponent choices--though in the case of relievers, this is problematic because of the pricing...and if you are spending 20% of your salary in the pen, you are typically on a wrong path...

BL: I think this highlights the idea originally proposed--which is that tweaking pricing should be the primary tuning mechanism for gameplay adjustments. Why? Because pricing is unique to each game--while tweaking global AI affects all the games differently.

I do agree that an ATG9 pitching reprice is needed, definitely for relievers and possibly also starters. The ATG9 hitter card reprice was well done, IMO. But as others have pointed out, Strat tried to do too much by changing the pitching game engine and pricing all at once. What we have now is the ATG9 bullpen logic with relievers priced to the ATG8 logic.

It seems like the bullpen logic is more amenable to the requirement of carrying larger bullpens (based on my limited experience with the mystery and 20xx leagues). Therefore ATG kind of gets the short end. Generally, my ATG bullpens function better when I carry a 10 man staff than a 9, but then again I was never adept at the super-reliever strategy when it was possible. As far as pricing goes, I would be interested to see how many players (particularly pitchers--as the varying ballparks seem to make the usable pool of hitters larger) go virtually unused (aside from theme leagues or leagues with odd roster rules). My hunch is that most managers consider a large portion of the available pitchers essentially unusable, which is really a pricing issue. I don't know that for a fact, but I feel like before the draft occurs in any standard league, I would write out a list of 50-75 players (mostly pitchers) that I can almost guarantee will be on people's rosters and a much larger list of guys I can guarantee won't be.

Exactly right. Agree with both of these last two posts 100%