BULPEN FREAKIN FOUR!

OPENING DAY IST INNING PITCHED PUTZ IS F0 ON THIS SEQUENCE OF HITTERS WTF!

SUBSTITUTION at P: J.J. Putz (R)
0 R.Barnes 2-11 Single (CF) b-1 F9
0 1 T.Cobb 5-5 Strike Out b-0 F9
1 1 J.Jackson 1-3 Walk 1-2 b-1 F9
1 12 G.Brett 5-9 Strike Out b-0 F9
2 12 N.Cash 1-7 Single (RF) 2-H 1-2 b-1 ***F0***

That's right single- strikeout- walk- strikeout- single= FO

FIX THIS ABOMINATION OF LOGIC!

Nev, Putz has a relief endurance rating of 1. The rules are 3 hits and/or walks in the endurance inning and the pitcher is fatigued = first inning of relief or any succeeding inning. These are the standard rules for the board and CD games. Typically starters tire slowly, but relievers, especially those with ratings of 1 or 2 fall off of a cliff. I hate the new bullpen logic as much as you, but this one can't be blamed on changes to the on line game.

But isn't Fatigued a progression? Don't you have to progress from from F8 to F7 to etc. F0?

I think Nev's complaint is how after facing ONLY 5 batters did he go from F8 to F0 while recording two outs in the process?
remember this is the FIRST game of the season, so Putz could NOT have been previously fatigued.....entering the game already at F4 or F5 for example.

According to Nev's data Putz got to F0 in rather short fashion.....I don't recall any of my pitchers getting to F0 so quickly.

Spring training was a bitch

Do errors and hit batsmen count toward pitcher fatigue? Or is it just hits and walks?

Are home runs worse than singles? With starters, it seems that they often get knocked out after giving up a home run.

Just hits and walks according to the rules. Note rules for relievers below, "A reliever with a POW of 1 is immediately vulnerable to fatigue." This is why I avoid R1s like the plague.

27.3) A pitcher reaches his POW in either of two ways:

A. He reaches his POW inning (or any inning after that) and allows any combination of three hits or unintentional walks in the same inning. His POW begins with the next batter after the third hit and/or walk.

B. He reaches his POW inning (or any inning after that) and allows any combination of four hits or unintentional walks in any two consecutive innings. His POW begins with the next batter after the fourth hit and/or walk.

Intentional walks, batters hit by a pitch or errors do not contribute to a pitcher's POW. Nor do any hits or walks that occur before the pitcher's POW inning.

Example: A starting pitcher with a POW of 6 becomes fatigued as soon as the third hit and/or unintentional walk occurs in the 6th inning. Or, he retires the side in order in the 6th, but becomes fatigued by yielding two walks in the 7th inning and two hits in the 8th. His POW is reached with the last hit, in mid-inning.

(27.4) A relief pitcher's POW is determined by outs. A reliever with a POW of (1) is immediately vulnerable to fatigue. He could reach his POW by yielding three hits and/or unintentional walks without recording an out. A reliever with a POW of (2) would become vulnerable after he has recorded three outs. Then, whenever three hits and/or unintentional walks occur within a subsequent three-out period, the reliever reaches his POW.

Example: A reliever with a POW of (2) enters the game with one out in the 6th inning. He becomes vulnerable after one out in the 7th. Then, after getting the second out in the 7th, he walks the next two batters before getting the third out. But he allows a single to the leadoff batter in the 8th, and becomes fatigued, because he has allowed three hits/walks in a three-out period after reaching his POW.

"POW" -- point of weakness. Ah, that could be any number of things ...

I never thought F9 to F0 immediately, but ok. And I appreciate the explanations mucho mucho.

Those are the OLD fatigue rules, my man. The F9 through F0 fatigue system is more complicated and has to deal with actual pitch counts.

An uninformed question here...are the rules for ATG and other cards sets the same or different as far as fatigue is concerned?