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Re: Only in this STUPID game ...

PostTue Mar 08, 2022 1:44 am

nevdully's wrote:There's a momentum feature built in...I think it works umm too well...much much much more black box stuff then you guys ever imagined.


nevdully, as one of the most respected ATG managers, I'm sure that whatever you can share about the "momentum feature" and "black box stuff" would be appreciated by the community.

(Was no one else curious about this post?)
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Re: Only in this STUPID game ...

PostTue Mar 08, 2022 8:32 am

Yes, I was intrigued.

Would be great to see the data on this.
Nevdully--care to share?
Anyone else have supporting data?
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Re: Only in this STUPID game ...

PostTue Mar 08, 2022 11:37 pm

So I started this season 40-14 (on third of the way through the season) and had to finish 8-2 in the last ten games to remain above .500

https://365.strat-o-matic.com/team/schedule/1439292
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Re: Only in this STUPID game ...

PostWed Mar 09, 2022 10:29 pm

nevdully's wrote:There's a momentum feature built in...I think it works umm too well...much much much more black box stuff then you guys ever imagined.


Mike,

I have always believed that.

There are far too many violent swings to be "realistic".

I'm sure there are naysayers who say it happens in real baseball, but I'd love to see an example that extreme in real life.
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Re: Only in this STUPID game ...

PostWed Mar 09, 2022 10:30 pm

Treyomo wrote:Not quite to that extent, but my follow up is an 0-fer rather than a 1-fer. Followed up a 9 game winning streak with an immediate 10 game losing streak.

https://365.strat-o-matic.com/team/schedule/1669062


Not far off Trey.
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Re: Only in this STUPID game ...

PostWed Mar 09, 2022 11:50 pm

nevdully's wrote:There's a momentum feature built in...I think it works umm too well...much much much more black box stuff then you guys ever imagined.



I can imagine a lot with this silly game
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Re: Only in this STUPID game ...

PostThu Mar 10, 2022 10:08 pm

I believe what Nedvully is referring to was implemented in the later days of TSN still running this site. The momentum "thingy" was used to help normalize statistics, which also includes, I believe, tho may be wrong, that homefield advantage was also "turned on" back in the day.

Years ago, we had Bernie to confirm/deny such allegations. Nowadays, we dont have that person to say yea/nae
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Re: Only in this STUPID game ...

PostFri Mar 11, 2022 12:15 am

Thanks Mike. You are likely correct. Posts about lack of transparency are nothing new. nevdully, and many others, have voiced concern over the years about how our game is played.

The way his response was phrased (two personal pronouns in one post!) lead me to believe that he had some new information.
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Re: Only in this STUPID game ...

PostFri Mar 11, 2022 12:20 am

The max rules are a black box but I don't believe in any extra double-secret unlisted black box stuff. Just ask yourself why Strat would bother spending the time to code it. They can barely be bothered to do basic things like fix errors or add new cards. No way do I believe there's a "momentum" black box. Humans naturally want to find patterns in things, but it's all just chaos. Chaos is offensive to us because we like patterns and narratives. But chaos is all it is.
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Re: Only in this STUPID game ...

PostFri Mar 11, 2022 1:30 am

There are some other old heads that have been round here for, shit, 2 decades now. Back in the day, this game originated on The Sporting News' website. After a few years, they quite literally hired someone to code, and work on the game, on a daily basis. His name was Bernie. And on me mothers grave, I can remember it posted at some point that, indeed, a momentum kill switch was flipped on, and home field advantage too.

I cant be the only one left that remembers this. Now, when the game was picked back up by SOM, did they just port the game engine back as Bernie built it? Were these changes Bernie made ever written out of the code? I dunno. But swears, this, was a real thing at one time.
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