Another "conspiracy" question

that created a new issue (the 4 stud starters with cheapo bullpen),

That strategy has been around since Day 1 back in ATG I...I did and still do use it all the time.

So, now do we want rules against this? Next are we gonna have rules against platooning?? A rule saying that I must carry a 25 man roster, no more, no less?

This is why I don't even care about the rules, never read them, never will. It's my $25, I should be able to put any team on the field I choose to. Some are good, some are bad, some are experiments...but hey it's my dime...

I've played against all the different strategies used in this silly GAMEthat I love. The fun is in figuring a way to beat those strategies or you trying to figure a way to beat mine...isn't that how it's done in real life? The super reliever thing never bothered me, hell bring it back.

I do know that if more restrictions are put in place to tell me how I have to spend my money...that's the day I'm done with this GAME.

Tim

This is why I don't even care about the rules, never read them, never will. It's my $25, I should be able to put any team on the field I choose to. Some are good, some are bad, some are experiments...but hey it's my dime...

I've played against all the different strategies used in this silly GAMEthat I love. The fun is in figuring a way to beat those strategies or you trying to figure a way to beat mine...isn't that how it's done in real life? The super reliever thing never bothered me, hell bring it back.

I do know that if more restrictions are put in place to tell me how I have to spend my money...that's the day I'm done with this GAME.

Tim

I agree with this. Its not baseball, its a statistical game based upon baseball, and the fun is trying to develop new strategies and how to counter other peoples strategies. I am of the feeling that anything you can do within the rules of the game should be good, and if that means you throw 4 pitchers out there for the whole season or you carry nothing but <1 mil pitchers and trying to pummel your opponent to death while relying on your bullpen, go for it. Its not my job to stop you from putting that team on the field, my job is to figure out how to counter your strategy.

I haven't noticed SP fatiguing faster.

But I do agree with the assumption about the proliferation of high-scoring games - which I haven't necessarily noticed either, but if it did exist would be a product of cheap bullpens.

I haven't noticed SP fatiguing faster.

But I do agree with the assumption about the proliferation of high-scoring games - which I haven't necessarily noticed either, but if it did exist would be a product of cheap bullpens.

That's my take as well--if most managers set their starting pitchers to F0 with a cheap bullpen, you are going to get some football scores from time to time.

Agree wholeheartedly with the previous couple of posts. Stud starters and cheap pens mean a few more blowouts. With only 2 roles per reliever it is hard to even build an effective bullpen if you are so inclined. To do so you have to use poor quality starters, which also results in some blowouts because of HAL's bullpen decisions for relievers narrowly defined roles. More rules=less fun!

I agree with this. Its not baseball, its a statistical game based upon baseball, and the fun is trying to develop new strategies and how to counter other peoples strategies. I am of the feeling that anything you can do within the rules of the game should be good, and if that means you throw 4 pitchers out there for the whole season or you carry nothing but <1 mil pitchers and trying to pummel your opponent to death while relying on your bullpen, go for it. Its not my job to stop you from putting that team on the field, my job is to figure out how to counter your strategy.

That's exactly right. Strategies evolve as managers refine them to match up against other strategies. The same thing happens in real baseball but much more slowly.
50-100 years ago, teams didn't have 6 bullpen specialists and a good starting pitcher was expected to pace themselves to pitch a complete 9 inning game.
Eventually, teams came to realize that SP could deliver quality or quantity but not both.
Therefore, the strategy evolved to the current game where SP go all out and last 6 innings and teams adjusted to carry a deeper bullpen.

I agree with this. Its not baseball, its a statistical game based upon baseball, and the fun is trying to develop new strategies and how to counter other peoples strategies. I am of the feeling that anything you can do within the rules of the game should be good, and if that means you throw 4 pitchers out there for the whole season or you carry nothing but <1 mil pitchers and trying to pummel your opponent to death while relying on your bullpen, go for it. Its not my job to stop you from putting that team on the field, my job is to figure out how to counter your strategy.

That's exactly right. Strategies evolve as managers refine them to match up against other strategies. The same thing happens in real baseball but much more slowly.
50-100 years ago, teams didn't have 6 bullpen specialists and a good starting pitcher was expected to pace themselves to pitch a complete 9 inning game.
Eventually, teams came to realize that SP could deliver quality or quantity but not both.
Therefore, the strategy evolved to the current game where SP go all out and last 6 innings and teams adjusted to carry a deeper bullpen.

The game is different and starting pitchers only can go 6 innings now. However Nolan Ryan pitched a lot of complete games and “paced himself” - at least until he turned 40 - was not in his vocabulary.

Ryan was an anomaly.
But also, he didn't deal with batters taking as many pitches. Another evolved strategy is the offense avoiding swings early in the count. They aren't afraid of the strikeout and are just looking for a mistake to hit into the bleachers- even with 2 strikes.
Ryan would routinely strike out 20 batters nowadays and maybe walk 8. It would be interesting to see what would happen over the course of a season.

Anyway, Nolan Ryan is an S*6 or S*7 all those years after he turned 30 so I guess HAL already knew what would happen!

I would like us to go BACK to the ATG 8 pitching engine with the ATG 8 bullpen settings and KEEP the ATG9 bump in reliever pitcher pricing. Honestly if they would have just increased the RP pricing as they did between ATG 8 and ATG 9 that would have provided enough of a disincentive for owners to abuse the super reliever at caps below $100 million, where the real abuse was happening anyways.

Think about it...there would not be much of an advantage, if any, of getting 200 innings out of Sutter if you had to pay his $7.75 ATG9 salary.

It would then be a choice between a 7.71 Schoolboy Rowe and 7.75 Sutter (for one example) which would be pretty close to a WASH as to their dominance in a $80 or $100 million league. 200 innings of Sutter' .87 WHIP compared to 230 innings of Rowe's .98 WHIP are comparable.