draft process

For what it's worth, I think the autodraft works fine as-is. There doesn't seem to be enough of a reward to take the risk of breaking something that doesn't need to be fixed.

There are a lot of other things I'd rather see Strat spend their time on programming-wise.

For what it's worth, I think the autodraft works fine as-is. There doesn't seem to be enough of a reward to take the risk of breaking something that doesn't need to be fixed.

There are a lot of other things I'd rather see Strat spend their time on programming-wise.

Oh yeah, like different team settings for stealing 2b, 3b, and home.

The system can't leave a roster incomplete after the draft because what happens if the manager never completes the roster, how could games even begin to play with one of the managers unable/unwilling to field a complete team? The whole system is predicated on everyone having a complete roster following the draft.

um, I guess the part were i described the subsequent rounds of the draft until all teams were full didn't display somehow


playing with less than a full roster was never proposed by me

Your original post literally advocated for leaving a blank roster spot. I was replying why that is not possible.

Now apparently you're advocating a second draft following the initial draft. That already exists, it's called waivers.

For what it's worth, I think the autodraft works fine as-is. There doesn't seem to be enough of a reward to take the risk of breaking something that doesn't need to be fixed.

There are a lot of other things I'd rather see Strat spend their time on programming-wise.

BINGO

History lesson.

Way back in the early days of SOM when we were collectively all trying to figure out how the draft process worked, 12 volunteers agreed to submit identical rosters with each of them ranked exactly the same. I assumed, as did many others, that after the draft order was randomized, that team A would get its top player, then in round two team B would get its 2nd player and team A would move to bottom of the list, and in round three team C would get the 3rd player with teams A and B moving to the back of the line, and so on.

It did not work that way. Team A got every player on its draft list, Team B got all the players with salaries just below those on Team B, Team C got all the players with salaries just below those drafted by team B, and so on. The 12th team in the randomization, Team L, drafted a team that bore little resemblance to the draft list we all submitted.

In other words, the way the draft process works is:
1) the 12 teams are randomized.
2) Team A gets the top player on his draft list. Team B gets his top player, but if he has already been taken, he gets the next player below his #1 pick salary at his primary position. Team C gets his top draft pick, but if he's already taken, he winds up with the next available player at the same position (as long as he's not on somebody's draft list somewhere). By the time we get to team L in the first round, his first player drafted is 11 spots below the one he wanted at the same position.
3) In round two, the process gets repeated all over again. Team A gets the second player on his draft list. In actual leagues, it's possible one of the other teams may have drafted him in the first round so he gets a replacement. But in our experimental draft, he is given to team A. Team B again gets the player right below him at the primary position. Team C through Team L continue to get the leftovers.
4) In the waivers process, the whole thing is identical, but reversed. Team L is first in line and Team A is last.

In our extreme example, Team A had a much better roster after the draft was over than Team L. Wasn't even close.

If someone wanted to try a similar experiment to see if it's still that way, be my guest. At least you can do it with 6 teams now instead of 12. But I strongly believe things have not changed, you would get exactly the same results today.

History lesson.

Way back in the early days of SOM when we were collectively all trying to figure out how the draft process worked, 12 volunteers agreed to submit identical rosters with each of them ranked exactly the same. I assumed, as did many others, that after the draft order was randomized, that team A would get its top player, then in round two team B would get its 2nd player and team A would move to bottom of the list, and in round three team C would get the 3rd player with teams A and B moving to the back of the line, and so on.

It did not work that way. Team A got every player on its draft list, Team B got all the players with salaries just below those on Team B, Team C got all the players with salaries just below those drafted by team B, and so on. The 12th team in the randomization, Team L, drafted a team that bore little resemblance to the draft list we all submitted.

In other words, the way the draft process works is:
1) the 12 teams are randomized.
2) Team A gets the top player on his draft list. Team B gets his top player, but if he has already been taken, he gets the next player below his #1 pick salary at his primary position. Team C gets his top draft pick, but if he's already taken, he winds up with the next available player at the same position (as long as he's not on somebody's draft list somewhere). By the time we get to team L in the first round, his first player drafted is 11 spots below the one he wanted at the same position.
3) In round two, the process gets repeated all over again. Team A gets the second player on his draft list. In actual leagues, it's possible one of the other teams may have drafted him in the first round so he gets a replacement. But in our experimental draft, he is given to team A. Team B again gets the player right below him at the primary position. Team C through Team L continue to get the leftovers.
4) In the waivers process, the whole thing is identical, but reversed. Team L is first in line and Team A is last.

In our extreme example, Team A had a much better roster after the draft was over than Team L. Wasn't even close.

If someone wanted to try a similar experiment to see if it's still that way, be my guest. At least you can do it with 6 teams now instead of 12. But I strongly believe things have not changed, you would get exactly the same results today.

Damn, that is S****Y
suspected something was off when another team gets multiple of your high picks, but no way to know without seeing the actual order- but damn.

History lesson.

Way back in the early days of SOM .....It did not work that way. Team A got every player on its draft list, Team B got all the players with salaries just below those on Team B, Team C got all the players with salaries just below those drafted by team B, and so on. The 12th team in the randomization, Team L, drafted a team that bore little resemblance to the draft list we all submitted.....

HOLY CRAP! Can Palmtana or anybody in the KNOW confirm or deny if this is still the case? If it is, this would totally explain one time MISSING on my all of my TOP 4 picks and finding 3 of the 4 on the same opposing roster...I wondered how could this possibly be.....I would hazard to guess that supertyphoon's explanation still stands true today.

Thankyou TYPHOON for sharing this inside scoop. Perhaps the BEST and most important post I have ever read here on the boards.

.....Can Palmtana or anybody in the KNOW confirm or deny if this is still the case?.....

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based on the results described from the ldraft experiment, I am hardened in wanting to leave the spots open, the money in the pot and do subsequent rounds

not gonna argue there aren't other improvements that could be made to the game, eg., disconnect H and 3b stealing strategy from the strategy for 2b, but, just personally fed-up with trying to build a team around a guy (or fit a guy into my concept) and getting a replacement who does not fit the team concept and ties down a fistful of $$$$

History lesson.

Way back in the early days of SOM when we were collectively all trying to figure out how the draft process worked, 12 volunteers agreed to submit identical rosters with each of them ranked exactly the same. I assumed, as did many others, that after the draft order was randomized, that team A would get its top player, then in round two team B would get its 2nd player and team A would move to bottom of the list, and in round three team C would get the 3rd player with teams A and B moving to the back of the line, and so on.

It did not work that way. Team A got every player on its draft list, Team B got all the players with salaries just below those on Team B, Team C got all the players with salaries just below those drafted by team B, and so on. The 12th team in the randomization, Team L, drafted a team that bore little resemblance to the draft list we all submitted.

In other words, the way the draft process works is:
1) the 12 teams are randomized.
2) Team A gets the top player on his draft list. Team B gets his top player, but if he has already been taken, he gets the next player below his #1 pick salary at his primary position. Team C gets his top draft pick, but if he's already taken, he winds up with the next available player at the same position (as long as he's not on somebody's draft list somewhere). By the time we get to team L in the first round, his first player drafted is 11 spots below the one he wanted at the same position.
3) In round two, the process gets repeated all over again. Team A gets the second player on his draft list. In actual leagues, it's possible one of the other teams may have drafted him in the first round so he gets a replacement. But in our experimental draft, he is given to team A. Team B again gets the player right below him at the primary position. Team C through Team L continue to get the leftovers.
4) In the waivers process, the whole thing is identical, but reversed. Team L is first in line and Team A is last.

In our extreme example, Team A had a much better roster after the draft was over than Team L. Wasn't even close.

If someone wanted to try a similar experiment to see if it's still that way, be my guest. At least you can do it with 6 teams now instead of 12. But I strongly believe things have not changed, you would get exactly the same results today.

This is why I say that a serpentine draft in the auto draft is closest to fair for all.