1973 Lolich

Not sure how they determine S9 vs S8, so I looked at the Tom Seaver 1969 card that is an S8 to see why he was not S9. He went 8 or more innings in 24 of his 35 starts that year. He had 18 CG's and 17 starts of 9 or more innings. In 1973 he was listed as an S9 when he went 8 or more innings 22 out of 36 starts with 18 CG's and 18 starts of 9 or more innings. Why is one card S9 and the other S8 for very comprable innings per game statistics?

POW does not necessarily track with innings per start, our brains just want it to for simplicity's sake. The cards are created in the context of stock replays of individual seasons. The crucial variable in those contexts is how likely the POW is to trigger. The fact that Seaver got an S8 in 1969 despite having a worse card than 1973 tells me that his environment in 1969 was more pitcher-friendly, in terms of parks and opponents. The more pitcher-friendly an environment, the less likely a POW is to trigger, the earlier it has to be set in order to get innings per start right in the replay.

From Strat O Matic Fandom

Pitch Count Fatigue

Pitch Count Fatigue is a special system found only in SOM Online and the CD-ROM game that is a replacement for the board game's Super-Advanced Point of Weakness (POW) rules. It improves upon the all-or-nothing fatigue state of pitchers in the POW system by more realistically and gradually tiring pitchers as they throw more pitches and give up baserunners in a game.

In the Strat-O-Matic Online game, PCF is in effect for all leagues, and has been since the game's inception.

Suggested Pitch Count
A Suggested Pitch Count is determined for each pitcher at the start of each game. This represents the approximate number of pitches he may throw before his condition starts to deteriorate.

It is possible that a pitcher may have his Condition altered well before or well after the suggested number of pitches for him. For instance, if he gets his doors blown off early in the game he might have his Condition affected earlier. Conversely, if he is pitching a gem he might be able to go many more pitches before his Condition deteriorates.

Pitcher's Condition (F0 - F9)
The pitcher's Condition can be from F0 to F9. F9 means that he is operating on all cylinders, whereas F0 indicates that he has nothing left in the tank. Normally pitchers start their appearance as F9 and maintain that level until they approach or exceed their Suggested Pitch Count.

S8/9 "should" have more to do with how effective they were in those late innings, since it's the fatigue rating that comes into play right? For argument sake If a guy deserves S8 because whatever, but went 9 a whole bunch of times without giving up a run in the 9th, why should fatigue kick in? just asking.

From 71-75 Lolich completed more than 50% of his starts with one exception...1973

S8/9 "should" have more to do with how effective they were in those late innings, since it's the fatigue rating that comes into play right? For argument sake If a guy deserves S8 because whatever, but went 9 a whole bunch of times without giving up a run in the 9th, why should fatigue kick in? just asking.

Because if you have major issues in the early innings and frequently can't get past 6 innings why should you be an S9? There is an obvious weakness Lolich had in 1973 and downgrading to an S8 is more than fair, in this simulation being an S9 lets you pitch a lot of innings.

agree with Lab on 2 day rest Oldtimers. be another fun twist. question for thought/debate. I think there are more than a few of the *8/9 generation where the 8 designation should be a 9 or hell in Gibson, Koufax etc. a 9+. take Ole Diz in the 34. 30 wins and 7 saves. more than a few innings in between starts. I think Lolich would get shelled early in some games and be pulled. more performance than endurance related. his high HR's allowed number would support that. manager says he doesn't have it today, get da bum outta there. in today's macho game, Kershaw got pulled after 7ip's and just 80 pitches whilst throwing a PERFECT game this week! and agreed with the decision! gives you insight into his playoff performance history. think he had a part in the Sopranos.