oddities with ballpark values

If this affected your team missing the playoffs, or a playoff win(s) or a title win(s) in an expensive game you pay for, too damn bad

If this happened to someone on Saturday or Sunday contact SOM and see if amends are possible.

STRAT/HAL has never gone back to replay games that went "askew".
I sense that the ballpark "weather" factors are part of a normalization programming element that STRAT has used over the years, and it just came to light because they made some changes to it and made some errors and it surfaced.

Quite a few years back, one of the top owners here in the ATG game, was affected by a "bug" and lost some very important games. This owner complained to STRAT, and an apology was given, but the games were not replayed. STRAT then awarded him 10 game credits, which seemed generous, until the owner realized after playing all ten of those seasons, that every one of those teams failed miserably, not a single one made the playoffs, and this with an owner that goes to the playoffs most of the time.
The owner is still today certain, that those 10 credits were totally bogus, and that STRAT did something to ensure the owner in question would not be winning any championships with those credits.

It would seem only right that the owners, who pay to play, would have full knowledge of what the actual factors are.
I believe that Owners should have the right to know what modifiers and "normalization" factors and other black box programming factors are being used, how they are being used, and what the effects are.

Otherwise, we are playing a rigged game. pure and simple.

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Note, 4/18: We have identified and fixed a bug that was causing inconsistent results on some ballpark effect rolls for a number of leagues, on the nights of Saturday and Sunday, 4/16 - 4/17. We sincerely regret and apologize for this error, and have resolved the issue effective for tonight's new games (Mon, 4/18).

If this affected your team missing the playoffs, or a playoff win(s) or a title win(s) in an expensive game you pay for, too damn bad



Sincerely Strat the past 20+ years[/quote]

My thoughts exactly, I had a team lose games 6 & 7 in the playoffs Saturday and Sunday. I guess I need to go back and see if this screwup impacted the results.

STRAT/HAL has never gone back to replay games that went "askew".
I sense that the ballpark "weather" factors are part of a normalization programming element that STRAT has used over the years, and it just came to light because they made some changes to it and made some errors and it surfaced.

Quite a few years back, one of the top owners here in the ATG game, was affected by a "bug" and lost some very important games. This owner complained to STRAT, and an apology was given, but the games were not replayed. STRAT then awarded him 10 game credits, which seemed generous, until the owner realized after playing all ten of those seasons, that every one of those teams failed miserably, not a single one made the playoffs, and this with an owner that goes to the playoffs most of the time.
The owner is still today certain, that those 10 credits were totally bogus, and that STRAT did something to ensure the owner in question would not be winning any championships with those credits.

It would seem only right that the owners, who pay to play, would have full knowledge of what the actual factors are.
I believe that Owners should have the right to know what modifiers and "normalization" factors and other black box programming factors are being used, how they are being used, and what the effects are.

Otherwise, we are playing a rigged game. pure and simple.

The problem with this latest "bug" is that it went so far over the top it was extremely noticeable. It would be far easier to control outcomes if you have a random feature value to give a negative or positive outcome depending on percentage you want that is not immediately noticeable limit it to 5% one way you change a boat load of outcomes but just blame on bad luck, over the course of a year is very effective at changing to desired results. Seems apparent there is a routine that ignores the BP effect and instead gives a predetermined effect, just kinda slipped up over the weekend by being obvious. Because if it was not an actual process selectively enforced, ALL BP effect rolls would have been effected but only some peoples were, they are sorry though it came to our attention.

In the old days with Bernie...some free games were rewarded...not anymore

I did get this message today -

"Thank you for your report. As you have seen by now, there was indeed an unfortunate bug that caused these anomalies over the weekend.

If this proved to be particularly costly for any of your teams, we're deeply sorry and would like to make it up to you. We would be more than willing to offer you compensation in the form of a free team credit, for every team that misses the playoffs in its league as a result of this problem. If this happens to any of your teams, please let us know when the time comes, along with a brief explanation, and we will accommodate you.


Sincerely,
Strat-O-Matic 365
https://365.strat-o-matic.com"

But it is a zero sum issue. For every one of us who lost a game "because" of this, another owner won a game "because" of this. There are thousands of games and plate appearances and situations and scenarios that go into this simulation. It is unreasonable to blame an entire season's failure on one out-of-whack result in my opinion. Again, if you were negatively impacted, someone else out there was positively impacted. That's the nature of the simulation.

Why is "because" in quotes? Do you have some doubt as to the validity of these complaints?

Why is "because" in quotes? Do you have some doubt as to the validity of these complaints?

It's the same as complaining about a botched call by an umpire. We remember it if it was the play on which the game allegedly hinged, but the reality is that it could have gone the other way.

For every team that hit a HR it should not have hit, or allowed a single it should not have allowed, the OTHER TEAM BENEFITED. The net impact of this error was a zero sum event.

The because is in quotes because we are alleging that the error is the cause of the loss. Perhaps we would have lost anyway. Perhaps we won a game in a different series that we would have otherwise lost. Directly tying causation to this error ... especially when we want to claim that "I lost out on a playoff in game 160 because player X would have hit a 2 run HR except for this error" is a dangerous exaggeration. Perhaps we should have managed better in that random April game that you left your SP in for too long instead of blaming a coding error in game 160.

I agree that there was a coding error which led to ballpark effects being misapplied. I know that. I had unusual things happen to my teams as well (Wade Boggs converted 5 consecutive ballpark HR chances in Candlestick 0/0/5/5, for instance). But for every bad thing that happened, there is another owner on the other side of that event who experienced a good thing. We tend to notice and complain about the bad things more than we will notice and rejoice about the good things. That's all.

Ok, please look at this PBP carefully and explain to me how this is anything other than a win turned into a loss

https://365.strat-o-matic.com/game/play ... 459625/242