database of ~400 ATG9 leagues

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Re: database of ~400 ATG9 leagues

PostWed Jun 01, 2022 10:05 am

MaxPower wrote: As a new player I had no idea who the most popular players were, so I decided to find out.



You do understand that the way literally Everyone else found out was by actually playing in lots of leagues and seeing firsthand who they were playing against-

So the idea that a person should just be able to go in, look at what every other manager did in leagues that person didn't play in does rub a bunch of people the wrong way.
See its not just about 'sharing' the data- its about obtaining it in the first place.

As I said to you, now that the genie's out of the bottle- I dont think there is a way to put it back.
But its not just about sharing the data you've obtained, that gets people upset.

Now if SOM made a tool public that was giving everyone access to look at every league then thats a company decision.
but we don't have that.
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Re: database of ~400 ATG9 leagues

PostWed Jun 01, 2022 12:49 pm

Max - Congratulations on your success. Just because a vocal minority (2?) who do not seem to comprehend what you are doing, does not mean you are somehow cheating or doing anything nefarious.

SOM has offered so many more opportunities to see other leagues (first time champions, recent champions, monthly challenges, etc), and that the argument they (SOM) do not want you to use this information seems misguided.
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Re: database of ~400 ATG9 leagues

PostWed Jun 01, 2022 1:11 pm

I think Strat posting Draft Percentage data of players in various caps would be a great idea! They already do average stats of players why not percentages? Would help those who haven't played in hundreds of leagues for sure.
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Re: database of ~400 ATG9 leagues

PostWed Jun 01, 2022 3:49 pm

Thanks for sharing the information. There are plenty of ways to be good at this simulation game. That's ultimately what it is. A game. Based on math and numbers. To simulate baseball. It's wildly unrealistic because of the outsized park effects and the influence of managerial strategy to reduce the "bad" players in any given season. That's what leads to ridiculous 100+ HR seasons and the like. But it's also a ton of fun! It's supposed to be fun. Part of the fun is the winning. Part of the fun is trying to see if you can win a different way. (All lefty? All righty? All speed? With a ton of steals? Without any steals?) There is a really, really, really steep learning curve for new players. By researching readily available data from other leagues and studying/analyzing that data, you accelerated that process. Again; thanks for sharing!
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Re: database of ~400 ATG9 leagues

PostWed Jun 01, 2022 5:03 pm

Salty wrote:You do understand that the way literally Everyone else found out was by actually playing in lots of leagues and seeing firsthand who they were playing against-

I do indeed, and I didn't feel like spending hundreds of dollars to acquire that info. In retrospect, I could have easily just winged it, because of the irrelevance of low cap drafts that I have now repeatedly detailed. But as a new player, I assumed that draft card ranking strategy was more important than it actually is.
Salty wrote:Now if SOM made a tool public that was giving everyone access to look at every league then thats a company decision.
but we don't have that.

We actually do, it's called a URL. In many cases, a hyperlink provided by Strat leads directly to the URL. Barnstormer standings, record books, and as Morpheus helpfully points out, new player achievements and monthly contest standings at the top of every page. The idea that Strat does not want us to examine data from leagues we didn't participate in is simply ridiculous. Salty, you've made it very clear that while following any of these hyperlinks is perfectly fine, arriving at the URL manually is highly unethical in your view. You are entitled to your opinion, but as I've repeatedly told you, I find it stupid and wrong, and could not possibly care less about it.
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Re: database of ~400 ATG9 leagues

PostWed Jun 01, 2022 6:36 pm

Hamilton17 wrote:There is a really, really, really steep learning curve for new players. By researching readily available data from other leagues and studying/analyzing that data, you accelerated that process. Again; thanks for sharing!


As a business Strat should address the steep learning curve. Maybe better “Rookie” league ideas? Maybe an easier way to control for (and verify) the level of experience of the managers in a particular league? Maybe a handicap system? but Improving the accessibility of the game and reducing frustration for new or occasional players would help business and provide cash to improve the code.

maxPower’s way is too complicated for a newbie part timer like me but anything that helps democratize the game is ok with me.
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Re: database of ~400 ATG9 leagues

PostWed Jun 01, 2022 6:42 pm

Salty wrote:
MaxPower wrote: As a new player I had no idea who the most popular players were, so I decided to find out.



You do understand that the way literally Everyone else found out was by actually playing in lots of leagues and seeing firsthand who they were playing against-

So the idea that a person should just be able to go in, look at what every other manager did in leagues that person didn't play in does rub a bunch of people the wrong way.
See its not just about 'sharing' the data- its about obtaining it in the first place.

As I said to you, now that the genie's out of the bottle- I dont think there is a way to put it back.
But its not just about sharing the data you've obtained, that gets people upset.

Now if SOM made a tool public that was giving everyone access to look at every league then thats a company decision.
but we don't have that.

Penngrey years ago had a database of every player and how often they were drafted, There is another thread that listed all the 200 million leagues and where everyone was drafted on average. Diamond Dope used to have a tool on what the winning percentage was on every player in various caps every league when Penngrey ran it so you could see how a player performed in leagues.
Finally Joe the Jet sells the data of the value of each player in different ballparks and willalso give you an analysis of a league and best statistacal selections for that league and has an average customer win percentage of over .530.
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Re: database of ~400 ATG9 leagues

PostWed Jun 01, 2022 10:29 pm

gkhd11a wrote:Penngrey years ago had a database of every player and how often they were drafted, There is another thread that listed all the 200 million leagues and where everyone was drafted on average. Diamond Dope used to have a tool on what the winning percentage was on every player in various caps every league when Penngrey ran it so you could see how a player performed in leagues.
Finally Joe the Jet sells the data of the value of each player in different ballparks and willalso give you an analysis of a league and best statistacal selections for that league and has an average customer win percentage of over .530.


1. How often people are drafted isn't really the same thing - especially when you have a very limited pool of players

2. The winning percentage of every player doesn't tell you HOW they were used.

3. How did he know WHERE everyone was drafted unless you are referring to Live leagues -- bc he shouldn't have the data from someone's draft cards.

4. From my understanding Joe The Jet runs a bunch of simulations using the computer game -- how is that in any way related???
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Re: database of ~400 ATG9 leagues

PostWed Jun 01, 2022 10:46 pm

Salty wrote:How often people are drafted isn't really the same thing

Isn't the same as what? That's all my data has ever been.
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Re: database of ~400 ATG9 leagues

PostWed Jun 01, 2022 10:55 pm

MaxPower wrote:
Salty wrote:How often people are drafted isn't really the same thing

Isn't the same as what? That's all my data has ever been.


Your data is entirely 'how often' someone was drafted?
Thats not at all what you've been saying.
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