Small ball...advicce, criticism etc.

This thread inspired me to create a small ball team. Just to wake up to a new card drop lol

Another question I have is how do you set the Fatigue of the pitchers. Aside from matching their endurance number, is there anything special or do you let HAL manage their outcome?

The bullpen we have the least control over out of everything. If you read other post you’ll see countless examples and issues of wtf moments coming from the bullpen. With that being said under the team tab ,pitcher preferences, there’s a don’t relieve before fatigue rating and slow or quick hook. Depending on how you’d like to manipulate it there’s max ip and don’t enter before (>6, >7 etc). Also under team settings you can have very aggressive relief option to very conservative. Also a closer setting in there

Matt...I've found on a number of posts that I've read that aside from specifying LH, RH specialist, because of this version of the HAL bullpen, it's better to let HAL manage their use. In more cases than not this seems to be a reliable solution. Not always, but most of the time. I generally tend to set F! for *SP 8 or 9. I don't even specify slo hook. Just wondered what others thought about fatigue.

I get tired thinking about fatigue.

Actually what you mentioned is the prevailing strategy because of what Matt said.
For SPs, if you look at the gradual degradation down to F0, it makes sense to set better pitchers down pretty low for a do not remove before...and what that value is is best determined by tracking the outcomes and how it meets your expectations. Some do F5, some will go down F3....all to taste.

It is a black box, but at mid to lower caps many will get everything they can out of starters and go with cheap BP. Gradually as fatigue builds, results will get flipped from the pitcher card to the hitter card more frequently.

For this reason, the fatigue issue on relievers can be a little more tricky, especially with a cheaper BP. It could leave you with R1s who end up having splits with 2x as many hitter card lookups. So most limit RP exposure.

Of course, on the flip side, if you have a decent bullpen then you have paid ahead for those reliever innings. So it would be counter-productive to your investment to limit relief usage if you have a decent bullpen.

This is why at mid to low caps you typically either see people go with solid, high endurance starters and a weak bullpen...or mid-endurance starters of varying quality and a decent bullpen. No matter what you pitch the same total innings--it is just about how you split who throws most of them--ideally it is where you have your $ invested.

As always, it depends. So a guy like IDK...Johan Santana...only an S7 but in an 80M league he can be set to very low fatigue until his arm falls off because (1) his card is solid at 80M and a big investment, and (2) the hitter card flips are not likely to be as devastating as it would be at higher caps.

Another question I have is how do you set the Fatigue of the pitchers. Aside from matching their endurance number, is there anything special or do you let HAL manage their outcome?

BTW--just noticed this comment. I never heard of matching the endurance number.
One has nothing to do with the other.
The Rx or Sx where x is the endurance rating in units of innings, has no mapping numerically to fatigue status ratings, such as Fy, where y is 0 to 9.

The F ratings are also further complicated by the fact that SOM has implemented a pitch count fatigue system for determining the fatigue threshold (ie an enhanced version of strict point of weakness), which establishes a pitch count threshold for each pitcher when they first enter the game. For relievers it can get tricky and depends on their last few appearances.

Is there any way to find out more about the pitch count fatigue system? Is there any way to know how it's determined or is that HAL's dirty little secret.

Is there any way to find out more about the pitch count fatigue system? Is there any way to know how it's determined or is that HAL's dirty little secret.

In ATG the normal POW rules are much more likely to lead to fatigue than pitch count is. So, 3 baserunners in one inning post-POW, or 5-6-7 runs in 1-2-3 innings, or 2+ innings past POW.

Thx Max

No problemo. But no, to answer your actual question, pitch count fatigue is something of a black box, thankfully it has little effect in ATG.