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Re: Moneyball Baseball League Chat

PostFri Feb 10, 2023 5:32 pm

ggyuppie wrote:Again, as the newbie I have limited experience with the league but I think abandoning the 24 hour clock is a bad idea. The pace of the draft makes it workable for both the "busy" and the "idle". I like knowing that if I'm having a busy day at work or whatever I don't have to interrupt that constantly to check on my bids.

If you want to speed it up, simply increase the number of players we're bidding on. Bid on 8 at a time and you will cut the duration of the draft by 1/3 versus having 6 ongoing nominations.

I don't like the white flag rule, because everyone needs to waive it. Who's to say someone doesn't want to jump in late on a player even if they weren't driving the bidding initially?

As for the idea that too many are too slow to nominate, I haven't been bothered by that. But if a majority are bothered by it, we could have a "default" election in the event a agreed-upon time limit isn't met. Simply sort the entire FA pool by WAR, and if a timely election isn't made, throw up the highest ranked player remaining. The question is, what's a reasonable period of time? I don't know, but in my opinion it's way more than an hour.


I agree completely. The pace of the draft was fine, and I generally get pretty antsy about drafts being slow. I really don't see the need to change much of anything, other than perhaps increasing the number of players we're bidding on at one time.
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Re: Moneyball Baseball League Chat

PostFri Feb 10, 2023 11:06 pm

Phil et al: I think we also badly need to toughen up the rules for the pacing of the draft. Regardless of whether gamesmanship is going on, the impact of the delays are unfair, unpleasant, and unnecessary, and we need to finish the draft before the cards come out. I would propose:



The draft is a tad slow, but I don't see it as a problem. First, it's not like other SOM drafts where you are just selecting players. It's an auction, so the 24 hour clock allows everyone to participate in the auction without time constraints. It also serves as a settlement process that allows me to track the auction results without difficulty. I agree that the draft needs to be finished before the card release, so the draft will need to be sped up. There are only 30 players left to sign, so I expect it will be all but finished in a week or so.

1. Starting the draft with 6 player nominations rather than 4, or even doubling it to 8...


I like the suggestion of starting with 6 players and move it to 8 if the pace is too slow starting next year.

2. Shortening the draft clock for the winning bid from 24 to 12 hours...


I like the 24 hour clock. It creates a clear and unambiguous settlement process which is easy for me to track, allows everyone across many time zones an equal access to the bidding process, and creates a real market for players, especially highly desirable free agents. It makes it harder for bidders to steal a player, which I like for competitive balance as well.

3. Creating an expectation that teams will bid within 1 hour of it becoming their turn unless it falls during a certain sleep period (10p-6a Eastern?), or to post on the league chat thread why they will be delayed and when they can reasonably commit to nominating a player (this is really the barest minimum that we should all be doing), and 4. Create a penalty for failing to comply with #3 (can't upbid on the current slate of players?).


I don't think this is a great rush to get your bids in quickly. I know some managers in this league live in different time zones than I do, and have jobs that may not allow for an occasional check into the status of bidding during a work day. I have been hobbled by care giving and work responsibilities myself, so I have been guilty of delaying the bidding as well. There is also a disadvantage to getting skipped since the initial bidder has the advantage of setting the price to beat. Anyone who gets their bid in first has the advantage to setting the table, so to speak. I've seen numerous bidders set a really high one year price on a desirable player, making the next offer a difficult decision. Over pay in dollars or years to win? There have been a number of desirable free agents who were signed on one bid because the initial bidder shut the door on others.

While this "draft" is a lot slower than the typical league drafts in SOM, I don't really see it as a draft. It's an auction that has to occur at a slower pace to be equitable and to create a real market for players.

I do agree, however, that lifting the number of active bids will help to speed up the process. We will raise that number next year, and I will increase it next week if we don't start seeing more signings soon. Having said that, I need to go raise chilliards on Guillorme.

Philip
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Re: Moneyball Baseball League Chat

PostFri Feb 10, 2023 11:42 pm

ok i I do think raising the number of active bids to 6 -8 for the entire draft Would help a lot. Thanks for considering that.
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Re: Moneyball Baseball League Chat

PostSat Feb 11, 2023 9:42 am

ok i I do think raising the number of active bids to 6 -8 for the entire draft Would help a lot. Thanks for considering that.

i agree...as for other 3 options......NO
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Re: Moneyball Baseball League Chat

PostSat Feb 11, 2023 10:31 am

Phil

Stallings, Jacob is recalled from waivers and placed back on 40 man roster makes my total 37 with 3 left to sign
Thank you
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Re: Moneyball Baseball League Chat

PostSat Feb 11, 2023 7:50 pm

pm sent Phil
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Re: Moneyball Baseball League Chat

PostSun Feb 12, 2023 2:07 pm

If we're going to be trading out of going over the cap in the future would there be any objections to me trading with Chris. I know I said I'd let someone else do it but we're getting down to crunch time and he hasn't announced a trade yet. I will be taking a relief pitcher with my last guy and that's what he's offered up. I can assure everyone that I wouldn't make it a habit but I know Chris didn't intentionally go over. He's only going to be over by 1-2 mil approx.
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Re: Moneyball Baseball League Chat

PostSun Feb 12, 2023 2:39 pm

oldmansmith2 wrote:If we're going to be trading out of going over the cap in the future would there be any objections to me trading with Chris. I know I said I'd let someone else do it but we're getting down to crunch time and he hasn't announced a trade yet. I will be taking a relief pitcher with my last guy and that's what he's offered up. I can assure everyone that I wouldn't make it a habit but I know Chris didn't intentionally go over. He's only going to be over by 1-2 mil approx.


Make a deal. No one else has.
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Re: Moneyball Baseball League Chat

PostSun Feb 12, 2023 2:58 pm

If we're going to be trading out of going over the cap in the future would there be any objections to me trading with Chris. I know I said I'd let someone else do it but we're getting down to crunch time and he hasn't announced a trade yet. I will be taking a relief pitcher with my last guy and that's what he's offered up. I can assure everyone that I wouldn't make it a habit but I know Chris didn't intentionally go over. He's only going to be over by 1-2 mil approx.


Do it.
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Re: Moneyball Baseball League Chat

PostSun Feb 12, 2023 3:20 pm

Thanks will do.
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