nels52 wrote:Be nice. Both are just talking about "formats".
I think if you look at the first few posts I made on this thread, it was a good-faith effort to address the OP's question in line with the title of the thread. Then it went to "I don't like spending time clicking through Mountain Goat Spencer." Oh the horror--really! Bait and switch from the go.
I think you are being genuinely conciliatory and that is great.
But as in the past, the question posed in this thread is not really a question. It is an assertion and intends to bifurcate the players into two camps, then uses emotional appeals to gain agreement on that false bifurcation of a multi-faceted issue instead of a rational discussion of the facts and nuance. And when it is emotional, it gets personal.
Won't re-litigate all of that but it is a tired tactic practiced by one or more SOM365 "whales" and I'll leave it at that. Whether he is an alt carrying an occasional torch for the main...a few of us had our thoughts years ago. Doesn't matter.
But for this case, the entire thread was an open question if whether ATG9 is too flawed. Some answers came in. They were not where the discussion was intened by the OP.
But now it is about creating a custom player set, or starting a league with certain play rules. Great. So why does everyone on these boards have to "join or die" by grabbing pitchforks and trying to change everyone else's playstyle? Play the way you want.
Like I said there is an analogy--that attempt at fixing super relievers gave us BPv3 and many of the effects we have now mentioned in this thread. So let's think this time instead.
As for pricing, the community participates ably, and I have to say, by and large the pricing is 99%+ reasonable. But the ones that aren't get a spotlight because there are only open secrets here, ie Duncan, SCollins, etc.So they get amplified.
But when you understand why some outliers are to be expected, it is clear for two reasons:
1. There was a loud demand for pricing that made more players viable to use--this created some unxepected opportunities.
2. But the root cause is it is impossible to have an objectively perfect price system--it is a holy grail that doesn't exist. Why?
For the 100th time--because to do pricing you have to make assumptions in order to create a convergent solution. Those assumptions include many things that are only applicable "on average". Whether it is L/R balance, salary cap, park, whatever. But rather than get educated, it is much easier to grab pitchforks, draw battle lines, and create a line in the sand of with us or against us. Decades old tactic here.
Not me--thanks.