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Re: NAKL Chat

PostWed Feb 21, 2024 9:24 pm

mysapo45 wrote:
lakeviewdave wrote:Lakeviewdave trades

Terrmarr Johnson (prospect)
Jonathan India
Miguel Vargas
2025 1st prospect pick (lakeviewdave)

To mysapo45 for

Cory Seager
2024 6th FA pick (mysapo45)
2025 2nd prospect (mysapo45)

To be confirmed


Confirmed above trade.

Please drop Monte Harrision in completing.

Mahalo.



Confirmed and recorded. Sorry for the oversight and delay.
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Re: NAKL Chat

PostWed Feb 21, 2024 9:26 pm

I seem to have a plethora of more than serviceable starting pitchers. Peralta is probably the best of the lot and the one I'm least likely to move, but that doesn't mean I'm 100% not willing to move him.

My goal in any deal is to remove players from my roster without getting an equal number back.

I'm primarily interested in draft picks but it you have a deal that will take two starting pitchers from me for one player or a player and a pick, that will work:

Here's my Available SP:


Montgomery, Jordan
Ober, Bailey
Peralta, Freddie (will need to be a strong offer)
Quintana, Jose
Severino, Luis (Not really serviceable this year, but if someone wants to take a flyer, I'll throw him in)
Wacha, Michael

I might move Eflin or Elder, but it would take a 1st round pick PLUS

Thanks
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Re: NAKL Chat

PostWed Feb 21, 2024 9:27 pm

And just in case anyone else needs a reminder I"ll repost this:

NOTES ABOUT TRADING SUPPLEMENTAL DRAFT PICKS

If you trade a Supplemental draft pick(s) away and do not get one (or more) in return, you will play season 2 with less than 40 players. Managers trading a supplemental pick(s) away, do not get a free pick(s) to bring their rosters back to 40 players. Currently, mysapo45 and Ghost of Roger Marris, will play season 2 with 39 players even though they will cut 2 players after season 1 prior to the Supplemental draft. Additionally, in order for Jerlins to make use of his extra supplemental picks he will need to cut more than 2 players.

Also, the draft order for the Supplemental draft is determined AFTER the completion of season 1. The order posted on the draft grid page, is merely a place holder so I can track traded picks.
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Re: NAKL Chat

PostWed Feb 21, 2024 9:39 pm

Ninersphan wrote:And just in case anyone else needs a reminder I"ll repost this:

NOTES ABOUT TRADING SUPPLEMENTAL DRAFT PICKS

If you trade a Supplemental draft pick(s) away and do not get one (or more) in return, you will play season 2 with less than 40 players. Managers trading a supplemental pick(s) away, do not get a free pick(s) to bring their rosters back to 40 players. Currently, mysapo45 and Ghost of Roger Marris, will play season 2 with 39 players even though they will cut 2 players after season 1 prior to the Supplemental draft. Additionally, in order for Jerlins to make use of his extra supplemental picks he will need to cut more than 2 players.

Also, the draft order for the Supplemental draft is determined AFTER the completion of season 1. The order posted on the draft grid page, is merely a place holder so I can track traded picks.


I believe I can't cut more than 2 players. If I have 40 players on my roster, I will only be able to cut 2, and pick up 2 in the draft to get back up to 40. In order to have all my picks, I would need to begin the supplemental draft with 38 on my roster.

3) Owners may drop up to 2 players, but do not have to drop any. Owners with less than a 40 man active roster may use the Supplemental Draft to get back to a full 40 man roster under the following conditions:
a) They have the draft picks available to do so
b) they do not drop more than 2 players

At least that's the way I read 3b
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Re: NAKL Chat

PostWed Feb 21, 2024 10:00 pm

Jerlins wrote:
Ninersphan wrote:And just in case anyone else needs a reminder I"ll repost this:

NOTES ABOUT TRADING SUPPLEMENTAL DRAFT PICKS

If you trade a Supplemental draft pick(s) away and do not get one (or more) in return, you will play season 2 with less than 40 players. Managers trading a supplemental pick(s) away, do not get a free pick(s) to bring their rosters back to 40 players. Currently, mysapo45 and Ghost of Roger Marris, will play season 2 with 39 players even though they will cut 2 players after season 1 prior to the Supplemental draft. Additionally, in order for Jerlins to make use of his extra supplemental picks he will need to cut more than 2 players.

Also, the draft order for the Supplemental draft is determined AFTER the completion of season 1. The order posted on the draft grid page, is merely a place holder so I can track traded picks.


I believe I can't cut more than 2 players. If I have 40 players on my roster, I will only be able to cut 2, and pick up 2 in the draft to get back up to 40. In order to have all my picks, I would need to begin the supplemental draft with 38 on my roster.

3) Owners may drop up to 2 players, but do not have to drop any. Owners with less than a 40 man active roster may use the Supplemental Draft to get back to a full 40 man roster under the following conditions:
a) They have the draft picks available to do so
b) they do not drop more than 2 players

At least that's the way I read 3b


Yeah, but rule 3b is flawed in not allowing more than 2 cuts. At least for trades.

Speaking as the guy who wrote the rules, the intent of rule 3b, was to make sure there was never a Supplemental draft of more than 36 picks (now 24) and I thought that I needed to limit the cuts to three (now two) per manager to do that. That was the intent. * BUT, as it turns out, so long as there are no extra picks to bring teams with less than 40 players at the end of the supplemental draft up to 40, there will never be more than 24 picks in a supp draft even if one manager makes more than 2 picks which requires more than 2 cuts.

So rule 3b is superfluous and would prevent you from keeping your extra supplemental picks that you seem to keep trading for.

Now if you want to forgo your two extra picks, then so be it but that doesn't really seem fair.

All that said, if you all would just do PICK SWAPS when trading supplemental picks, none of this would be necessary as everyone would always have only 2 picks. ;)


* And the reason for wanting to limit the supplemental draft is to make sure not all the breakout players for the next card set were scooped up and therefore making the depth of the player pool for the Spring free agent drafgt the following season that much more shallow.
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Re: NAKL Chat

PostWed Feb 21, 2024 10:08 pm

As long as there are no issues, I'll be happy to cut 4 players so that I can pick up 4 in the supplemental draft. Thanks for the clarification.
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Re: NAKL Chat

PostWed Feb 21, 2024 10:10 pm

Jerlins wrote:As long as there are no issues, I'll be happy to cut 4 players so that I can pick up 4 in the supplemental draft. Thanks for the clarification.


I'll update the rule. It works the same for anyone else that acquires extra Supp picks and always has, so I do not think there will be an issue. And if there is, well as I said I wrote the rules. ;)
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Re: NAKL Chat

PostWed Feb 21, 2024 10:17 pm

Ninersphan wrote:
Jerlins wrote:As long as there are no issues, I'll be happy to cut 4 players so that I can pick up 4 in the supplemental draft. Thanks for the clarification.


I'll update the rule. It works the same for anyone else that acquires extra Supp picks and always has, so I do not think there will be an issue. And if there is, well as I said I wrote the rules. ;)



Actually I don't even NEED to change the rule:

Owners with less than a 40 man active roster may use the Supplemental Draft to get back to a full 40 man roster under the following conditions:
a) They have the draft picks available to do so
b) they do not drop more than 3 (2) players



Rule 3b only applies to a team that comes into the supplemental draft with a roster of less than 40, which would only happen if a manger made an unbalanced trade (2 players for 1 player, 3 players for 2 etc.).

So rules as written, if you have a 40 man roster and acquire Supplemental picks you can cut fit those picks.

but if your team has less than 40, you can only cut 2. so don't acquire another Supplemental pick and then make a deal that leaves you with less than 40 during the season or you will forfiet that 5th (or more) supplemental pick.
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Re: NAKL Chat

PostWed Feb 21, 2024 10:28 pm

Ninersphan wrote:
Ninersphan wrote:
Jerlins wrote:As long as there are no issues, I'll be happy to cut 4 players so that I can pick up 4 in the supplemental draft. Thanks for the clarification.


I'll update the rule. It works the same for anyone else that acquires extra Supp picks and always has, so I do not think there will be an issue. And if there is, well as I said I wrote the rules. ;)



Actually I don't even NEED to change the rule:

Owners with less than a 40 man active roster may use the Supplemental Draft to get back to a full 40 man roster under the following conditions:
a) They have the draft picks available to do so
b) they do not drop more than 3 (2) players


Rule 3b only applies to a team that comes into the supplemental draft with a roster of less than 40, which would only happen if a manger made an unbalanced trade (2 players for 1 player, 3 players for 2 etc.).

So rules as written, if you have a 40 man roster and acquire Supplemental picks you can cut fit those picks.

but if your team has less than 40, you can only cut 2. so don't acquire another Supplemental pick and then make a deal that leaves you with less than 40 during the season or you will forfiet that 5th (or more) supplemental pick.


Perfect!! Thanks!!

Anyone else offering Supplemental picks?
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Re: NAKL Chat

PostWed Feb 21, 2024 10:32 pm

Supplemental Free Agent drafts:
1) A Supplemental Free Agent draft of up to 3 rounds will be held between seasons 1 and 2 of each calender year.
A) Beginning with the year 2020 (the 2019 player card set) the supplemental draft will only consist of 2 rounds.
2) All owners must announce their roster drops (up to 2) prior to the Supplemental draft.
3) Owners may drop up to 2 players, but do not have to drop any. Owners with less than a 40 man active roster may use the Supplemental Draft to get back to a full 40 man roster under the following conditions:
a) They have the draft picks available to do so
b) they do not drop more than 2 players
c) they can do it within the 2 rounds/24 pick draft window.

I coped this from rules on supp draft, by reading this, it appears you can only drop at most 2 players? Seems like there is still some confusion with the supp draft rules. In reading this Jerlins would not be able to drop 4 players, but would have to make trade(s) so that roster is at most 38 when supp draft begins and then drop 2 players to be able to have 4 picks, at least that is how I interpret the rule as it's currently written. If rules needs to be tweeked so there is no confusion and can drop as many as you have picks it's fine with me.
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