Nomination Ideas--STARTING PITCHER IMPROVEMENTS

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Re: Nomination Ideas--STARTING PITCHER IMPROVEMENTS

PostWed Apr 17, 2024 2:48 pm

1952 Carl Erskine. Just passed away, looks like this would be his best card
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Re: Nomination Ideas--STARTING PITCHER IMPROVEMENTS

PostFri Jun 07, 2024 11:20 pm

Ken Heintzelman, 1949 season is better than his represented 1950 season.
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Re: 24.2 STRAT STATS on NOMINATIONS (Make INFORMED Decisions

PostSun Jun 23, 2024 12:55 am

Satchell Paige 1934 Pittsburgh Crawfords

1.54 ERA

9.4 Ks per 9

2 HRs

145.2 IP
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Re: 24.2 STRAT STATS on NOMINATIONS (Make INFORMED Decisions

PostSun Jun 23, 2024 2:13 pm

divad wrote:Satchell Paige 1934 Pittsburgh Crawfords

1.54 ERA

9.4 Ks per 9

2 HRs

145.2 IP


There is a 1934 Paige Strat card, but it is not based on those stats. Even based on Satchel's current 1934 Strat card, 1934 would be his best season.
Strat would have to speak to how they developed their current cards and how they differ from the stats now assigned to various players like Satchel.
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Re: Nomination Ideas--STARTING PITCHER IMPROVEMENTS

PostMon Oct 07, 2024 6:35 pm

Madison Bumgarner 2016 -- his best season overall in terms of ERA+ (146): https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... ma01.shtml

2.74 ERA
1.02 WHIP
226 IP (career high)
251 strikeouts (career high)
54 walks
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Re: Nomination Ideas--STARTING PITCHER IMPROVEMENTS

PostMon Dec 23, 2024 9:07 pm

Catfish Hunter 1974: He won the Cy Young, his only year doing so. Moreover:

His second best year arguably -- .986 WHIP, 2.49 ERA, only 46 walks in 318 innings pitched. His season best SO to BB ratio: 3.11.

https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/735747/1670/1/70
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Re: Nomination Ideas--STARTING PITCHER IMPROVEMENTS

PostFri Dec 27, 2024 1:50 pm

I suggest Ted Lyons, 1942.
Lyons is a HOFer. He pitched almost forever, from 1923 to 1946, going straight from Baylor University into the majors. He won 260 games with mostly bad White Sox teams. Joe McCarthy said that if Lyons had pitched for the Yankees, he would have won 400 games--which is sort of credible, given that we're talking about the Ruth-Gehrig-Dickey-Dimag, etc. Yankees of '23-46. Lyons has only one--very good--ATG card, representing his 1927 season. I became aware of his situation because I'm in a single-season league and my year is 1927. I saw that card, said to myself, I thought this guy was pitching in the 1940s--so why a 1927 card? And then I did some research.
In his later career, Lyons was known as "the Sunday pitcher" because he pitched almost exclusively on Sundays. He benefited from the extra rest and his team benefited by having him pitch one game of the Sunday double headers that happened almost every week. He completed his game nearly every Sunday.
I'm proposing 1942 because Lyons was 41 years old, notched a 14-6 WL, led the league with a sparkling 2.10 ERA and an ERA+ of 171. He also pitched a complete game in EACH of his twenty starts. It was a great year, and it would make a great addition to our list of five-day starter cards.
At 42, Lyons was old enough to be exempt from the WW2 draft, but in 1943, he volunteered for the Marines and served in the Pacific from 1943-45. If Lyons has stayed with MLB for those 3 years, he might easily have gotten the 40 wins he needed to notch 300 victories.
With the war over, Lyons in 1946 pitched five more games for the White Sox at age 45. He posted a 2.32 ERA and finished all five games. The guy could still pitch! But then he took over as WS manager and decided to stop pitching and focus on managing.
Well, I think Lyons's story is both amazing and too little known. His 1942 season would make a great card, and it would perhaps also encourage more SOM managers to learn his story.
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Re: Nomination Ideas--STARTING PITCHER IMPROVEMENTS

PostSat Dec 28, 2024 10:25 pm

Always liked Ted Lyons, and he does have an amazing story -- and this proposed season of '42 would be a big plus for him in ATG. I really like his '27 card and use it often. Very under appreciated. Kudos for this suggestion!
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