Moneyball Baseball League Chat

I noticed Chris Taylor is not on my team list on the master team grid.

Fixed. Thanks for the heads up.

teamnasty wrote:
Also regarding ggyuppie going over the salary cap: right now the only "penalty" when you go over the cap is that (1) you lose the arb eligible player who pushed you over the cap (not applicable to ggyuppie), (2) you can't make contract extensions or add salary via trade until you are under the cap. Seems a bit light of a penalty to me. I think that in addition to the penalties above, we should also add something like you lose your 3rd round prospect AND you get pushed into the 12th position of the prospect draft. Open to other ideas, but those pop into my mind.

Obviously, any tougher penalties shouldn't apply to ggyuppie under the current rules, just future violators.



We had this discussion regarding cap penalties almost exactly a year ago. On the bottom of page 114 of this chat thread, Phil indicated he was going to change the rules to toughen up the penalty, including moving the prospect draft until AFTER arb settlements were in to provide for losing prospect picks. I haven't read much to the prelude to that particular page, you all can read it as well as me. But in my opinion, the intent was to change the rule beginning this year, in context with Phil's message on page 114.

I changed the order of things last year so that the prospect draft now takes place after the arb settlement period. In ggyuppies case, the problem was that I transposed some salary numbers on his roster causing him to go over. I have prosposed a marginal player trade to get him under and am waiting to hear back.

I will propose that teams lose their third round prospect draft pick if they are over the salary cap and ask for owners to provide feedback.

In ggyuppies case, his one and only bid on Megill was what he thought was the rest of his cap space (under the circumstances whether this is a wise bid is a discussion for another day). If his remaining salary space had been correctly calculated, I'm confident his bid would have been that max, roughly $5.1 mil and change. Since there was no upbid at $5.2 mil and change, I think it's safe to say there would have been no upbid at $5.1 mil. Glenn deserves some blame here, as ultimately the owner must be responsible for his salaries being correctly reported, and I'm normally a hard-liner on stuff like this, but this seems like a case of no blood, no foul to me.

regardless of whether we give GG a Mulligan or not, I vote to increase the penalty to involve forfeiture of a team‘s third round pick for that year as Phil has proposed. I think we should have escalating penalties for multitime violators though perhaps on the second violation you fall into 12th Pl. for all three rounds of pics or you lose your second pic.

In ggyuppies case, his one and only bid on Megill was what he thought was the rest of his cap space (under the circumstances whether this is a wise bid is a discussion for another day). If his remaining salary space had been correctly calculated, I'm confident his bid would have been that max, roughly $5.1 mil and change. Since there was no upbid at $5.2 mil and change, I think it's safe to say there would have been no upbid at $5.1 mil. Glenn deserves some blame here, as ultimately the owner must be responsible for his salaries being correctly reported, and I'm normally a hard-liner on stuff like this, but this seems like a case of no blood, no foul to me.

Agree 100% with this. Just change the Megill bid to bring him to 140 mil. If someone wants to make an upbid than let them do it and ggyuppie would still need to get one more player.

In ggyuppies case, his one and only bid on Megill was what he thought was the rest of his cap space (under the circumstances whether this is a wise bid is a discussion for another day). If his remaining salary space had been correctly calculated, I'm confident his bid would have been that max, roughly $5.1 mil and change. Since there was no upbid at $5.2 mil and change, I think it's safe to say there would have been no upbid at $5.1 mil. Glenn deserves some blame here, as ultimately the owner must be responsible for his salaries being correctly reported, and I'm normally a hard-liner on stuff like this, but this seems like a case of no blood, no foul to me.

Agree 100% with this. Just change the Megill bid to bring him to 140 mil. If someone wants to make an upbid than let them do it and ggyuppie would still need to get one more player.

In looking into this further, he violated Section 10.03 which states, in part, "No team may make a bid for a free agent that will result in their team exceeding the salary cap."

I don't see a problem here. His bid was made before the corrections to his total salary. Obviously no ill intent. Just change his bid to $5,131,900 which takes him to the 140 max. If you want to put the new bid back on the list for 24 hours to allow upbids that would be fine too.

I don't see a problem here. His bid was made before the corrections to his total salary. Obviously no ill intent. Just change his bid to $5,131,900 which takes him to the 140 max. If you want to put the new bid back on the list for 24 hours to allow upbids that would be fine too.

Agreed, seems like a logical solution

I am fine with trimming Megill's salary to get him to 140M overall, but I dont want us to drop the ball on considering tougher cap violations going forward. Curious what others think about Phil's proposal.

I am fine with trimming Megill's salary to get him to 140M overall, but I dont want us to drop the ball on considering tougher cap violations going forward. Curious what others think about Phil's proposal.

I agree with Phil’s proposal.