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1. 2001 Todd Helton COL 1b 1e2 6R in-game inj only. AS MVP-9 GG SS. Career high in HRs with 49. Newly elected Hall of Famer. This card should get a lot of use. Check it out in the new 2001 set. https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/501/2001/4/2001
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2. 1982 Dusty Baker LAN LF. 1e7 -1 in LF. .300 .363.458 2L, but good OBP both ways. https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/30416/1982/2/1982
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3. 1966 Roberto Clemente. His only MVP season hasn’t been carded. .317/.360/.536 slash. Tied for second best WAR of his career 8.2. Gold Glove. All star. Career high 29 home runs, 105 runs and 119 RBIs 680 PA should be bulletproof. https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/32151/1660/1/60
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4. 1958 Harry Anderson LF/1b 301 23 95 136 OPS- 18th in NL MVP voting. Best year.
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5. 1971 Lee May CIN, RHB, 1b 3e9 .278 39 98 .332 .532 .864 Career highs in HR, SLG, OPS, OPS+. Near career highs in R, TB, RBI. Great power. Hit 354 career HRs & has just 1 platoon card. https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/37684/1971/4/1971
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6. 1908 Charlie Chech CLE RHP, SP/RP? 11-7, 1.74 ERA, 136 ERA+, 1.026 WHIP, 7.4 H/9 The man traded for Cy Young.
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7. 1982 Dwayne Murphy. CF, OAK. Walks, power and gold glove D in Cf. This card is actually usable versus lefties. Current card is a 3.5 mil platooner with worse numbers. Murph also swiped 26 bases this season. https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/838662/1680/1/80
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8. 2012 Prince Fielder DET 1B - career high avg and obp. 30HR, 2R split. Would give the Tigers a better power 1B option from the left side and would add a nice compliment to the 9L Cecil Fielder card. https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/360/2012/1/2012
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9. 1925 George Harper Phillies .349 /.391/.558/.949 with 35 doubles 7 triples 18 homers. Also a solid defensive outfielder.
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10. 1930 Chick Hafey LF 2(-3)e6 1L ST. LOUIS .336/.407/.652 Highest Career OPS 1.059, 39 doubles, 12 triples, 26 HR 107 RBI's, still a 15 game injury risk, but an excellent 2nd card.
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11. 1968 Ken Harrelson, Red Sox, RHB, RF 4(-1)e0, 1b 4e25 2R .275 35 109 .356 .874 Career highs in BA, H, 2B, 3B, HR, RBI, OBP, SLG, TB, OPS, OPS+. Led the league in RBI, and was in the AL top 10 in about a dozen offensive categories. Easily Harrelson's best season, in the year of the pitcher. MLB lowered the mound from 15 inches to 10 inches after the season. Has just one lousy card. https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/34987/1660/1/60
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12. 1939 Bucky Walters SP 27-11, 2.29 ERA, 1.125 WHIP, 31 complete games. Won MVP as pitcher, leading MLB in wins, innings pitched, and CG. A better ERA than the two cards we have for him, plus he's an S9*.
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13. 1972 Denny Riddleberger CLE LHRP 9L Need more low cost LOOGYs.
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14. 1937 Lou Gehrig NYY 1B .351/.473/.643 37hr 127rbi. Gehrig had a higher avg and slug vs LHP this year so this card should be a little different than the ones we currently have.
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15. 2010 Alexei Ramirez White Sox, RHB, SS 1e21 .282 18 70 .313 .431 .744. Career high in RUNS. Near career highs in HITS, BA, HR, SLG, OPS & OPS+. Silver Slugger. Gives the expansion White Sox an option for better D and more power at SS. No ATG card. http://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/1394/2010/1/20714
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16. 1996 Ivan Rodriguez Texas, Catcher with 685 PA (minimal or no injury risk), All-star, Gold Glove, Silver Slugger, 10th in MVP voting. .300 average .814 OPS...and In Game Only or NO injury https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/3291/1690/1/90
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17. 1998 Jeff Reed, COL LH C 4(0)e10 T-6(pb-0), 4R, .290/.377/.467, 303 PA, 15 DO, 9 HR, 1.4 WAR - No card, set needs more low-$$, non-reverse, strong-side platoon catchers w/XBH power.
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18. 2003 Jamie Moyer, Mariners, LHSP, 21-7 3.27 All-Star, 5th in Cy Young voting. Seattle could use the pitching! https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/2713/1700/1/120
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19. 2012 Darwin Barney, Cubs, RHB, 2b 1e2 .254 Ave .299 OBP .357 SLG low $ / great Def - GG / 1270.1 inn / 731 chances / 2 Errors https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/91201/2012/1/2012
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20. 1935 Bill C. Lee, Cubs RHSP BAL-E, END-S7*/R5, 20-6, 2.96 ERA, 1.29 WHIP. We need more SPs form the Pre-War Era, this would be his best-performing card.
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21. 1938 Ival Goodman, Reds, L, RF-2(-2)e4, 30 HR, .292/.368/.533 Slash Line, Good Power, Much better than his current card.
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22. 2002 Alfonso Soriano NYY Bats-R BAL-1L 2b-3e24 INJ Risk-In Game Nice offensive option at 2b- should get a bunch of use, despite the defense.
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23. 1997 Shawon Dunston, Cubs and a brief cup of coffee with the Pirates, 511 PA, .300 BA, .312 OBP, 14 HR, 57 RBI - a lot more pop than his current card and the existing Cub EXP shortstops
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24. 2018 Jose Ramirez Cleveland Switch hitting 1E13 3B (also 2 at 2b) 939 OPS and 8 BPHR vs Rhp. AA steal, 17 speed. Current card is a 2 rating. https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/91989/2018/1/2018
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25. 1958 Bob Cerv Helps Athletics-POST LF-4e6 (-1) .305/.371/.592
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26. 2022 Paul Goldschmidt. NL MVP. Great defense with 1e1. 317/404/578 slash line. 7L...card should play like a poor man's Jeff Bagwell. https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/91402/2022/1/2022
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27. 1968 Carl Yastrzemski, Red Sox, Balance-2R, LF-1(-3)e3, CF-3(-3)e3, 1b-4e15. Won the Batting Title in the Year of the Pitcher, Led League in Batting, OBP, Walks, OPS. 301/426/495 https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/43263/1660/1/60
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28. 1984 Chili Davis, Giants, bats both, 5R, CF, RF 2(-1)e13 .315 21 81 .368 .507 .875 Near career highs in a number of major offensive categories. Later went to AL as DH when slowed by leg injuries. Belted 350 HRs during his career and has two inferior cards. https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/802864/1680/1/80
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29. 1960 Norm Cash Det 1B-4(e14), 4R no gbA's! over 400 OBP and over 500 SLG. 7 errors but most importantly. never hit into a Double Play the whole season. be a nice economical addition and provide a First Baseman that's not your normal Double Play Machine!
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30. 2003 Scott Rolen STL 3B, one of his top seasons, stellar defense as usual, hit lefties a bit better -- 49 doubles! .286 BA, .382 OBP, .528 SA, 28HRs, 13 steals. https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/998/1700/1/120
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31. 1979 Gene Tenace SD C .263 BA, .403 OBP, .445 SLG, .848 OPS. Defensively threw out almost 50% of SB attempts with 1 error. A vast improvement over his current card, this gives the Padres a far better option at C than they currently have. https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/741940/1670/1/70
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32. 1894 Lave Cross PHI NL 3B .387 avg/ .424 obp/ .526 Slg
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33. 1993 Lou Whitaker Det 2b 8r 861 OPS
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34. 1987 Matt Nokes DET C . .289 32 Hr 5R. 3rd in ROY, Silver Slugger, only All-Star season. Much more of a platoon card then his current Yankee card. https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/838899/1680/1/80
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35. 2006 Grady Sizemore CLE CF 53 doubles. Bulletproof. Hits rhp really well. Great hitter until injuries happened. https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/1069/1700/1/120
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36. 1878 John Ward PRO SP - 1.51 ERA as an 18yo rookie. Hall of Famer with only one card currently, a 95-cent hitting card. https://max.strat-o-matic.com/stats-and ... ?year=1878
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37. 1969 Jim Northrup DET All OF spots. .295/.358/.508. Easily his best season in terms of power. https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/38928/1969/4/1969
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38. 1965 Fred Whitfield - Clev Indians - 1B .293 AVG .829 OPS 131 OPS+ 468 AB-26 HRS...21st MVP voting LHB and 80% AB against RHP (382 out of 492...110 AB only against LHP).....against RHP......365 AB, 21 HRs, .307 BA, .534 SLUG, .865 OPS hit a paltry .767 OPS and 83 OPS+ at cavernous Municipal Stadium but made up for it on the road blasting .888 OPS and 116 OPS+ major element of that good mid-60s Tribe team https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/42865/1660/1/60
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39. 1985 Mike Scioscia .296/.403/.420 Big improvement over his current ATG card. https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/840781/1680/1/80
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40. 1993 Tim Raines .306/.401/.480, White Sox exp set lacks decent options for lead off hitters in franchise/era leagues, Raines was a key piece to the good White Sox teams in the early/mid 90's, he does not have a card version from his time with the White Sox in the set
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41. 1890 Kid Gleason 38-17 2.63 - Watching 8 Men Out again, it occurred to me that we should have a Kid Gleason pitching card. This would appear to be his best season.
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42. 1975 Doug Rau, LAD, LH SP*, 3R / 257.2 IP, 15-9, 3.07 ERA, 1.118 WHIP. Stingy with walks and XBH. Good fielding, WP, BK, etc. ratings. Hard to find 3-day-rest LHSP who are tougher on righties at a reasonable price point. https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/739903/1670/1/70
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43. 1930 Ed Morgan 1B, Cleveland Indians, 3 game injury risk, RH hitter slashed .349/.413/.601, 47 doubles, 11 triples, 26 HR's. Love his current ATG card, this one should be even better!
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44. 1931 Al Simmons, A's, OF, Bats R .390 22 128 .444 .641 1.085 Led AL in batting for the 2nd straight year. Career high in OBP and OPS+, 2nd career high in TR, OPS and batting. Near career high in SLG. 3rd in MVP voting.
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45. 1988 Gary Gaetti MIN 3B - It would be his best card. He is a 1e10 at 3B that season. https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/803208/1680/1/80
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46. 1981 Carney Lansford 3B AL batting champion, good hit man @ .336
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47. 2019 Anthony Rendon WAS 3B-1e13, bats R E. 3B can use more options, IMHO. Great year before he joined the Angeles to deal with Covid-19, the AL, injuries, and well...the Angeles karma. .319/.412/.598 slash line. 117 runs, 34 HRs, 126 RBI. https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/91815/2019/1/2019
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48. 1971 Al Downing, LHP Los Angeles. 20 wins, 2.68, 5R. We need a better Al Downing card. https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/33188/1971/4/1971
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49. 2019 Yoan Moncada, CHW, 3B, Switch hitter, EXP White Sox need help @ 3B. .315/.367/.548 (NO CARD IN SET) 2R https://365.strat-o-matic.com/player/93625/2019/1/2019
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50. 1936 Gee Walker, OF, Detroit Tigers, solid hitter for years needs a better card, slashed .353/.387/.536 with 55 doubles 12 homers and 17 Steals
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Re: 24.1 Voting Now Open!

PostFri Feb 23, 2024 8:26 am

DonSutton wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:Interesting there's big love for Gene Tenace (33 votes) vs. Ivan Rodriguez (8 votes, lowest of all), at this time I write. These are cards for particular seasons, not a referendum on career. But ... what does this tell us?
That of the FIVE IRod cards listed in the nineties set, that one is the worst?


I'm not comparing it to his other cards in the 90s set (that has no meaning to me). I'm comparing it to his existing ATG cards. That's the whole point of Andy spending time doing the stats.

1996 Ivan Rodriguez, TEX, Bats-R, BAL-2L, C-1(-4)e1, 3 Game INJ Risk (1 INJ Rating)
LH—2b-8 3b-0.5 HR-8.8 BB-0 .348/.354/.677, 1.031 OPS
RH—2b- 10.1 3b-0.4 HR-0.5 BB-0 .314/.320/.429, .750 OPS

1999 Ivan Rodriguez, TEX, Bats-R, BAL-2L, C-1(-5)e1, 3 Game INJ Risk (1 INJ Rating)
LH—2b-0 3b-0 HR-8.2 BB-0 .365/.365/.593, .958 OPS
RH—2b-5.4 3b-0 HR-9.6 BB-0 .388/.388/.705, 1.093 OPS
2000 Ivan Rodriguez, TEX, Bats-R, BAL-2L, C-1(-5)e1, 15 Game INJ Risk (4 INJ Rating)
LH—2b-0 3b-2.3 HR-17.5 BB-0 .400/.405/.932, 1.337 OPS
RH—2b-13.5 3b-1.6 HR-10.4 BB-0 .421/.426/.868, 1.294 OPS
2003 Ivan Rodriguez, TEX, Bats-R, BAL-2L, C-3(-4)e1, 15 Game INJ Risk (1 INJ Rating)
LH—2b-12.8 3b-1 HR-1.9 BB-19 .429/.540/.665, 1.205 OPS
RH—2b-6.4 3b-0.4 HR-4 BB-8 .288/.354/.482, .836 OPS
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Re: 24.1 Voting Now Open!

PostFri Feb 23, 2024 12:14 pm

Salty wrote:
BC15NY wrote:
ALSO- yes, do look at the ratings- even though Vet 10 doesn't tell the whole story, you at least get a, forgive the pun, ballpark idea of what the card can do.


Right, Salty. As just a "ballpark" example, a card from the crazy offensive 1930 season or from the 1968 Year of the Pitcher is a product of its context. In ATG, we take them OUT of their original context, meaning that a 1930 card or 1968 card may play differently than what a cursory reading of the player's Baseball-Reference page may suggest.
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Re: 24.1 Voting Now Open!

PostFri Feb 23, 2024 12:42 pm

wish the Darwin Barney card would get more votes! love cheap great fielding INFer's!
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Re: 24.1 Voting Now Open!

PostFri Feb 23, 2024 4:32 pm

[quote="scorehouse"]wish the Darwin Barney card would get more votes! love cheap great fielding INFer's![/
Same here
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Re: 24.1 Voting Now Open!

PostSat Feb 24, 2024 10:02 am

The more I play, the more I see the potential value of particular pieces currently in short supply in the card box. To wit:
    Lefty-hitting catchers
    Moderate-reverse slant SP, especially lefties
    Hard-reverse slant RP
    Lefty hitting CF (although this is starting to be fulfilled)
    Middle infielders slanted to the R

And since I play the $80M format, the budget versions of same are especially prized.

When voting, I favor the criteria above and faces that would be new in the box. I care nothing about franchise depth.

The 24.1 ballot might be the weakest I've seen since I started playing. Reaching saturation? Maybe.
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Re: 24.1 Voting Now Open!

PostSat Feb 24, 2024 10:38 am

southpawcom wrote:The more I play, the more I see the potential value of particular pieces currently in short supply in the card box. To wit:
    Lefty-hitting catchers
    Moderate-reverse slant SP, especially lefties
    Hard-reverse slant RP
    Lefty hitting CF (although this is starting to be fulfilled)
    Middle infielders slanted to the R

And since I play the $80M format, the budget versions of same are especially prized.

When voting, I favor the criteria above and faces that would be new in the box. I care nothing about franchise depth.

The 24.1 ballot might be the weakest I've seen since I started playing. Reaching saturation? Maybe.


To be fair. I don’t think anyone is excited to add Jeff Reed to the set. I voted for him because I like new guys to pay with but he doesn’t move the needle for anyone.
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Re: 24.1 Voting Now Open!

PostSat Feb 24, 2024 12:21 pm

To be fair. I don’t think anyone is excited to add Jeff Reed to the set. I voted for him because I like new guys to pay with but he doesn’t move the needle for anyone.



No question that Jeff Reed is the thing not like the others on the ballot.

But as a low-priced, lefty hitting platoon catcher with some pop, would Jeff Reed add value to the set and be rostered frequently?

Over and over again.

He and I thank you for your vote.
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Re: 24.1 Voting Now Open!

PostSat Feb 24, 2024 1:32 pm

can't wait to play teams that use the Chili Davis card! he's got 27 GIDP's chances against RHPs. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: 24.1 Voting Now Open!

PostSat Feb 24, 2024 1:38 pm

same goes for Ken Harrelson. guess you bat Davis and Harrelson back2back?
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Re: 24.1 Voting Now Open!

PostSat Feb 24, 2024 4:25 pm

I think we're long overdue for a better Harrleson card. Lots of right on right power for lower cap leagues. Too many DPs, but he will still get used.

Re the franchise depth comment, many of us do care. And there are still plenty of players who had decent (or better) big league careers with no card in the set.
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