how much patience required?

[pyramid1]

I have Leal as my 4th starter and so far he is 0-9. The thing is his WHIP is 1.27!!! I have Reggie Jackson, Simmons,Trammell,Gritch,Hrbeck&Rice all preforming very well so it's not a lack of offence.

[Jimmy_C]

OUCH! Don't know what to tell you to do there. The WHIP is excellent but the all important W/L is really bad. If your 4th starter goes .500 call it success, but Leal has a lot of work to do to get to .500...

Is the "D" giving up a lot of unearned runs? How has the run support for Leal been? Has he left men on base only to have the reliever come in and screw up and let them score? How is the "D" in centerfield? You have good "D" in the middle infield, but the corner outfield isn't super.

I think you probably have a good Leal card, but you are having bad luck in games. I can honestly say that if I was in your league and you dropped him, I'd pick him up fast.

[pyramid1]

Willie Wilson in CF and Jackson is my DH. I have Parker in RF. He has had a shaky start but is coming on of late.

[hallerose]

I largely try to ignore a starters w-l record. The question is whether he is pitching well and is he on a good card suited for his park. As the Cy Young voting is finally figuring out (e.g., Linecum), W-L really covers a lot of things outside the pitcher's control. Run support, defensive, bullpen, luck, etc. A under $2m starter on a good card is generally worth keeping because the potential replacements, especially late in the season, are really not very good.

[voovits]

If I know I have a good card, I'll keep him no matter what.
I currently have Mike Witt 86(injury reveal) pitching to a 1-4 record though 6 starts with a 4.26ERA and 1.45WHIP. He'll be staying on my team no matter what.

Even more extreme than that, in the 70s game, I had 1977 Jim Sundberg hit a whopping .180AVG, and .515OPS.
I stuck with him, but it was hard to do. The rolls never really started going his way, but they could have at any time.

[AdamKatz]

The Wins statistic is almost as meaningless as Saves and RBIs

[chess2899]

Interesting. Here is a situation that supports Adam's statement. I recall in a league last year, the LMBombers had Danny Jackson at 20-6 or so with about 2 weeks left in the season. An injury revealed Jackson's WORST year. LM dropped him immediately and quickly went out of contention during the last two weeks of the season.

What would you have done with this scenario? Could Jackson have made the difference at the end by winning 5 more games? He certainly couldn't have done worse than his replacement which was chosen from a short list of also-rans. How this psychologically affect the Bombers and did it change his strategy which led to his demise?

Leal could go 0-20. Witt could go 4-22. After all, Jackson won 20 games in his worst year. Those losing streaks could go on and on and on in their best years. When do you cut bait?

[voovits]

I would have done what Bombers did, I would have dropped him. What he does in the future has no bearing on how he did previously.
I had a season once where Paul Mirabella collected 32 saves, to a 2.70ERA and a 1.11WHIP.
Season end reveal showed it was his 84 season!
I would certainly have dropped him mid season if I had known what I had with him.

[Hailedog]

The question I have is how reliable are injury reveals? I had an "injury reveal" on Clemente:
*** BOTTOM OF INNING 9 ***
0 R.Clemente 5 Line Out b-0
R. Clemente Injured for 2 more games
The problem being Clemente has no lineout + injury on any of his cards!
A later injury reveal (flyout + injury) against a lefthander indicates 1968 or 1972.
The point being: Should we take injury reveals as 100% certain, or are some of them derived some other way and should not necessarily be taken as gospel?

[Panzer ace]

There have been a couple threads about this in the past. This isnt the first time a 'phantom' injury has happened. TSN has never responded.