GBA on pitchers cards

[JAMESOSSWALD]

Do Roger Clemens and Greg Maddux have advantages because they have GBA on their cards? Or are they flipped like the board game?

[Valen]

What do you mean by flipped?

[JAMESOSSWALD]

I will try and explain it if I can.

The older pitcher cards(the real table board cards that the computer game replicates) only had GBC on their cards, no pitchers in advanced had GBA on their cards, the super advanced have GBA with a _ underneath the GBA. When playing advanced rules you flip all the GBA(from the super advanced cards) with a _ so that these pitchers can be compatible with the advanced players, however it looks like SN did not flip the pitchers ratings to GBC to make them in line with the older cards.

This makes the pitchers based on the super advanced rules more powerful than their advanced equivalent.

BTW Same goes with super advanced hitters, those that had GBC with a _ and when playing those cards with advanced cards you flipped the GBC to a GBA.

By not flipping the GBA to GBC and visa versa you are giving a unintended advantage to the super advanced cards.

[macnole]

As far as is documented in SOM online version of the computer game, it's completely super advanced rules. Equalizing the cards means a common denominator of advanced rules.

Also, what's coded on the computer version of the cards is what gets priced, so it seems to all be accounted for. There is no provision for flipping so what you see is what you get. Well, of course, there's the flipping of [i:b619476d7b]normalization[/i:b619476d7b], but others will start a conspiracy on that one... :P

[JAMESOSSWALD]

This game may have super advanced rules, but TSN is using many advanced cards that were altered for the super advanced rules, but unlike many aspects of super advanced like the *, the GBA/GBC were not altered for the super advanced rules. It's clearly a advantage for a pitcher to have a GBA instead of a GBC and that makes that pitcher better than he should be. The pitchers that have GBC should of been changed to GBA.

When your looking for as much realism as you can get in a game, you don't want to dismiss a pitcher being better/worst than he really should be by saying it does not matter because its reflected in the pricing.

1 comment on the pricing. 1-pricing is a formula based off someones opinion. Just because 1 player is priced higher than another player does not make that player better.

Here is 1 way of me showing you its a error. Show me one actual strat-o-matic pitching card that was made by Strato that has both a GBC and GBA on their cards. The pitchers were not intended to have both. The super advanced rules were meant to have GBA and the advanced were meant to have GBC. I have not played TSN version of Strato in a long time, but I bet the scores are going to be higher than they should be because this was not corrected.

[drfreeze49]

The GBA "A" pitchers [b:cfceedb031]would defintely[/b:cfceedb031] have an advantage...if in fact we are playing [b:cfceedb031]super advanced rules[/b:cfceedb031]

[JAMESOSSWALD]

[quote:aff7f1c320="drfreeze49"]The GBA "A" pitchers [b:aff7f1c320]would defintely[/b:aff7f1c320] have an advantage...if in fact we are playing [b:aff7f1c320]super advanced rules[/b:aff7f1c320][/quote:aff7f1c320]

Yes, we are playing what appears to mostly be super advanced rules. Ball park is not part of the advanced rules but they are part of the super advanced rules. Pitchers hold ratings is another aspect of super advanced that is not in the advanced rules.. In super advance rules the pitchers have GBA on their cards and in advanced pitchers have GBC on their cards. When using pitchers that were created under super advanced rules but you are playing those pitchers in advanced rules you convert the GBA to GBC.

SN did correct in leaving those pitchers with GBA, but when they converted the advanced pitchers to super advanced they did not change the GBC on the pitchers cards to GBA.

[macnole]

Right, all correct...but it is what it is. If a pitcher has gbas vs gbcs it's accounted for...it's plainly on the card. I thought the question you asked was whether they were flipping/converting results from adv-sadv. They're not, and when inspecting a card it's WYSIWYG. So not sure how it's an advantage. Maybe can say the newer cards are stronger, but again it's part of the assessment used when you look at the card.

[JAMESOSSWALD]

I was originally asking if they were flipped,the conversation shifted.


While pricing might be accounted for it is at the expensive of realism. Would you justify a 80 home run card for Mario Mendoza and say its ok because the pricing reflects the card?

Because the advanced cards were not switched from GBC to GBA we will see their value(not pricing but actual game value) less that what it should be and we will also see higher scoring games because of it. A player on 1st base and no outs, a GBC is rolled on the pitchers card should of resulted in a double play because it should of been a GBA, instead of 2 outs and no one on base we have 1 out and a runner on 2nd base. That is going to factor into higher scoring games than what was intended.

[macnole]

OK...I follow your concern now.

Yup...there are a lot of issues with the online version and/or ATG that are not exactly realistic. Duplicate stadiums, all star lineups (when the game is normed to reproduce the actual seasons on the teams as it was played), lack of control over pitching, pinch hitter match ups, when to steal/hold/lead, lineup customization, etc.

Not to mention the fact that every pitcher card has exactly 20 gbx chances...which is related to the SOM engine overall of course.

So, yes good point.

8-)