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Postby visick » Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:12 pm

Always nice to get some feedback from you Bernie...Thanks.
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Postby rgimbel » Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:27 pm

[quote:476794d75f="LMBombers"]Lineups vs Reverse pitchers is very unrealistic IMO. Although it would help us have more productive lineups in this game it is like cheating the system. Please don't use that feature.[/quote:476794d75f]

have to agree with bomber there although the depth charts is a gift from the heavens will make a great game even greater
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Postby Jeepdriver » Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:01 pm

I also highly agree with what LM said above on reverse L/U's. This would corrupt much of the strategy invoved in the game and IMO would be less fun for everyone.
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Postby packleader » Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:36 pm

I strongly disagree that allowing a lineup to account for a reverse pitcher would harm the online TSN strat game. It would only enhance it and reward or punish the manager who pays attention to his/her team on a daily basis by allowing more direct managerial adjustments. It will enhance the strategy, not corrupt it. For example: let's say you have Wrigley field as your home field and your opponent has Horatio Ramirez, Glendon Rusch, and Tom Glavine scheduled as the starting pitchers going against you at Wrigley. Our only managerial decision now is to have one lineup, with the quandry who do you try to beat? Obviously, Ramirez is the best candidate because you can load up your right handed hitters against him and you have a clear advantage in many respects. The downside is that Rusch may beat you simply because of the inability to have lefthanded batters face him if you try to beat Ramirez. If we can pick a lefthanded lineup against Glavine and Rusch and a right handed lineup against Ramirez, now you have an advantage against all three pitchers, which you have to weigh against the fact that if you use mostly lefties against them, you may have negated your ballpark advantage by not using the #HR for the righty batters. So, now you have a lot more to think about and to strategize than you did before. Thus, I disagree with Jeepdriver, etc and believe reverse lineups will greatly enhance our game.
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Postby qksilver69 » Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:22 am

Agree with GGapp. This feature gets us closer to truly managing on a game-by-game basis, which is what we all really want, right? This is what real managers do in real life, adapt lineups so that a batter with a particularly good record against a specific pitcher [b:9eb1c9209c]or type of pitcher[/b:9eb1c9209c] gets in at the right time against the right matchup.

Believe me, after doing many sims on the CD-ROM with both the substitution features & the reverse lineup features, I think you'll find that you get more true-to-life performances from the cards and that you team does more of what you expect it to do.

I echo all the kudos Bernie, excellent work!
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Postby bleacher_creature » Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:27 am

[quote:6e70606e97="Play By The Rules"]Bernie you're why this game is the best out there. Thanks for the efforts.[/quote:6e70606e97]

No he isn't. It's the cards, but Bernie is reason #2!
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Postby LMBombers » Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:06 am

[quote:3a83239be5="ggapp"]I strongly disagree that allowing a lineup to account for a reverse pitcher would harm the online TSN strat game. It would only enhance it and reward or punish the manager who pays attention to his/her team on a daily basis by allowing more direct managerial adjustments. It will enhance the strategy, not corrupt it. For example: let's say you have Wrigley field as your home field and your opponent has Horatio Ramirez, Glendon Rusch, and Tom Glavine scheduled as the starting pitchers going against you at Wrigley. Our only managerial decision now is to have one lineup, with the quandry who do you try to beat? Obviously, Ramirez is the best candidate because you can load up your right handed hitters against him and you have a clear advantage in many respects. The downside is that Rusch may beat you simply because of the inability to have lefthanded batters face him if you try to beat Ramirez. If we can pick a lefthanded lineup against Glavine and Rusch and a right handed lineup against Ramirez, now you have an advantage against all three pitchers, which you have to weigh against the fact that if you use mostly lefties against them, you may have negated your ballpark advantage by not using the #HR for the righty batters. So, now you have a lot more to think about and to strategize than you did before. Thus, I disagree with Jeepdriver, etc and believe reverse lineups will greatly enhance our game.[/quote:3a83239be5]

OK then whats next?.....seperate base stealing settings for pitchers with + or - hold ratings?.....seperate base running settings for OFers with + or - arms?.....
Part of the strategy and fun is to have to decide what players to use in a series or what managerial settings to make. Lets say you will face 2 LH SP in your next series. One is a 3L and one is a 3R. You have to decide what LH lineup to use based on that info. Do you go after the 3L or the 3R. That is strategy to me.

Lets say in your next series you will face a catcher with a 0 throwing arm. The SP hold ratings are -4, 0 & +4. Do you make your base stealing settings to try to take advantage of the +4 hold rating or play it conservative because you are worried about the -4 hold rating?

How boring would it be to have lineups and strategies so defined that you don't have to make any tough in season decisions like the above?

I LOVE the position depth chart idea for when you have an injured player but I am NOT for the reverse lineup settings at all. BOO reverse lineup settings....HOORAY beer!
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Postby Wineman » Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:58 am

Great work, Bernie.

Count me in favor of reverse lineup features. I imagine those opposed like to throw a hard and backward pitcher in the same 3 game series. Let's put the emphasis on having the best all around team, not tricking the opponent.
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Postby Jeepdriver » Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:55 pm

So starting two lefties in a series, one a 3L and one a 3R (for example)would be "tricking" your opponent? I find that amusing.
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Postby spicki17 » Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:03 pm

if you are going to go through all the work of doing the reverse RH and reverse LH thing, can't you just have the choice to do lineup settings for game 1, game 2, and game 3 of the upcoming series instead?

this way there is no tricking anything or anyone. it is as real as you get.
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