Secret Formula 2006

[J-Pav]

Well, I've got Lee and Duffy. Any thoughts on what's going wrong here?

[MARCPELLETIER]

My guess is that your team had many bad rolls. But I don't think this is a good team because
1- you didn't use any stadium advantageous with Yankees stadium.
2- you had a constellation of overspending players in Lee, Young (considering his poor defense--as translated by the high whips of your pitching---I consider him overrated), Wakefield (never saw him perform to his paycheck), Carrasco (although he didn't perform so bad on your team), A.Sanchez, Conine.


I am aware that geekor had outstanding seasons with Lee in the roster, and I concluded that his success was possible only because geekor had a team exceptionally fit outside Lee. In other words, geekor had an exceptional 67M team, so spending 13M on Lee didn't hurt his chances.

If I recall correctly, at least two of geekor's teams were petco or kauffman teams, where cheaper players like Figgins or Taveras fit so well. When you buy cheap players, chances are that you're gonna end up spending only 65M with one spot in the roster left. In my opinion, this is the only scenario where buying for Lee makes sense, because the other options of this scenario, such like dismantling the core of your team in order to increase the payroll, or adding relievers that you really don't need, are less effective, after all, than spending on Lee.

In all other cases, particularly those where teams are built around Lee, spending on Lee is an error, in my opinion. According to my numbers, he's at least 2M overpriced, if not more.

[fredpaii]

Just sent in my first auto-draft "request" team. I can already see some mistakes...based on stadium choice. I hope someone else picked Figgins very high. :lol: he's not so great for Petco, is he.

I'll find out how my team came out later tonight.

This is exciting.

I also enjoy reading all you guys stuff. J-Pav, you are in my league. In another division though....thankfully.

[J-Pav]

[b:7c2baf5dab]Derfs[/b:7c2baf5dab]:

Welcome aboard.

The way things are going for my remaining teams, you'd probably [i:7c2baf5dab]want[/i:7c2baf5dab] me in your division. I'm trying another experiment this time out, we'll see how it goes. I owe [b:7c2baf5dab]Jerlins[/b:7c2baf5dab] some payback for our last confrontation.

Good luck with your team!

[geekor]

[quote:e05a84aa4c]I am aware that geekor had outstanding seasons with Lee in the roster, and I concluded that his success was possible only because geekor had a team exceptionally fit outside Lee. In other words, geekor had an exceptional 67M team, so spending 13M on Lee didn't hurt his chances.

If I recall correctly, at least two of geekor's teams were petco or kauffman teams, where cheaper players like Figgins or Taveras fit so well. When you buy cheap players, chances are that you're gonna end up spending only 65M with one spot in the roster left. In my opinion, this is the only scenario where buying for Lee makes sense, because the other options of this scenario, such like dismantling the core of your team in order to increase the payroll, or adding relievers that you really don't need, are less effective, after all, than spending on Lee.

In all other cases, particularly those where teams are built around Lee, spending on Lee is an error, in my opinion. According to my numbers, he's at least 2M overpriced, if not more.[/quote:e05a84aa4c]

Lucky, actually it's because I can't play (my style) without a sold #3 hitter. D Lee outperforms pretty much any other player in a pitchers park environment. There are many many cheap W powered hitter with decent BA (Taveras, Figgins, A Sanchez, F Sanchez, etc etc) that I can always fill in the blanks with them. But the 2 things I was first, are a solid #3 (D Lee) and a good leadoff guy. the rest I can always find replacements for. So I don't build a cheap team and fill up space with Lee, I get Lee, and then get cheapies to go around him ;)

[cummings2]

Interesting.

Good toughts re: D. Lee.

I've gone through my champ teams to find recurring players, mainly Lee and Duffy.

Duffy repeats 4 times

Lee repeats twice. To his case I should mention that those were the only two times I've drafted him. One was coors and the other SBC

FWIT the most recurring in the 9 champ teams: Jack Wilson (7x)

[BRADSANDBOTHE]

J-Pav,

Here are the 2 teams I have tried at Yankee Stadium,

They are the only two times I have played there and I should consider playing there more often based on the success I have had.

The first team lost in Semi's in 5 games, so I was naturally dissappointed and decided to try the same team with a few changes to help my pitching and a couple of position players.
I really wanted more or less the same team to see if the results would be similar.

I found it very interesting to see if I could draft (more or less) the same team and as you will see, I was nearly able to do it.
The team I lost to in the Semi's with Team 1 is also in the league with Team 2, he even mentioned that the teams were eerily similar.

Now, how bout the results.

http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/2006/team/team_other.html?user_id=11668 (This is Team 1)

http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/stratomatic/2006/team/team_other.html?user_id=13829 ( This is Team 2)

Team 1's division had US Cell, Safeco, and Turner
Team 2's division has Metro, MM, and Turner

I will have to say there is a bit of an * on team 1 though,
The division was very competitive, except for 4th place, he had only 60 wins. I had 97 wins, 2nd place had 92 wins, and 3rd place had 89 wins (and missed playoffs). So I am sure our padded win totals had to do with the 102 loss team in our division.

As you will see, both these teams are performing nearly exactly the same.
I think the Slugging on Team 2 would be higher if T. Clark hadn't gotten hurt for 23 games early on. (8 games then 15 games)

Team 1: [b:b83167cf46]BA .279 OBP .341 SLG .457 Pitching ERA 4.23 WHIP 1.38[/b:b83167cf46]

Team 2: [b:b83167cf46]BA .278 OBP .349 SLG .435 Pitching ERA 4.15 WHIP 1.37[/b:b83167cf46]

I tried using B. Radke on Team 2 to use in MM, but he was 1-5 so I dumped him.

Team 2 is in the final week and leads division by 3 games and WC by 6 games, so it should make the playoffs.

I guess my point is that certain teams are going to play better together than others just based on their make up. It really doesn't matter soooo much with the division you play in unless it is heavily slanted one way or the other.

Or maybe this has no meaning at all???????

Just an observation

[J-Pav]

[b:d76217188c]Bodie[/b:d76217188c]:

Thx for the response. My own take on my floundering team is that it's just an outlier of hate from HAL. Every single hitter except for Young (a 3 at SS on my team? He was the only thing left when I missed Jeter) is getting absolutely crushed. Smoltz, Wakefield and Oswalt are getting shellacked every single series by the hitters side they should be strong against.

It's a balanced team against a balanced league in a balanced home ballpark. The problem is this...

Player....[b:d76217188c]obp[/b:d76217188c]

Young [b:d76217188c].354[/b:d76217188c], Jenkins [b:d76217188c].338[/b:d76217188c], Bako [b:d76217188c].333[/b:d76217188c], Mueller [b:d76217188c].329[/b:d76217188c], Giles [b:d76217188c].328[/b:d76217188c], [i:d76217188c]Duffy[/i:d76217188c] [b:d76217188c].319[/b:d76217188c], [i:d76217188c]Lee[/i:d76217188c] [b:d76217188c].300[/b:d76217188c], Conine [b:d76217188c].286[/b:d76217188c], Sanchez [b:d76217188c].274[/b:d76217188c]. This and a [b:d76217188c].365[/b:d76217188c] team slg average.

These results are so far off the cards that it would be comical if it weren't so embarrassing. I keep waiting for the rolls, but this team remains completely stuck in reverse series after series.

It'll be interesting to see how many games they are capable of losing in a season.

:shock:

[MARCPELLETIER]

Geekor,

My point is rather that you build an excellent 65M that exceptionally fits your stadium (regardless of who are the exact players). This is the key to sucess with Lee.

If you have an average 65M team, having Lee will make you only worse, not better.

I consider the fact that there are so many more losing teams with Lee on the boards than winning teams with him on the roster to support my point.

[Jerlins]

J-Pav,

I see you've wasted no time seeking revenge on me. Went to the opposite extreme this time around and chose Coors. Like the Petco team in our previous league, this Coors team will also be my first venture into an unknown park. I'm betting Eric picks Petco (what else), so I might be for a long season.

As for the Lee thread, I'm with Geekor on this one. Get your stud and build the team around him. While Lee may be overpriced by a $1 or $2 statistically, he may well be worth the $2 extra for the consistency and dominance in performance.