by CHARLESBELL » Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:33 pm
Once we finalize I'll post the list of players for both pools here.
I've completed the list for all the hitters. I used the Ratings disk list of names to match birthplace to TSN players, and a list I found on the web of ballplayer birthplace information that gave me about 85% of the match. The rest I looked up in the online baseball encyclopedia. A couple of disclaimers. I'll fix any errors that are found before the draft. But I'll add a rule that once we agree to the list it is final even if errors are found later. Also, birthplaces for latin players often consist of mulitple elements (try "Santa Cruz de Barahona Santo Domingo" - Luis Terrero), Excel doesn't sort those too well, and country was not always provided. If we decide to use some or all of those players then the data I have right now is incomplete.
The raw numbers work out as follows (USA born players only):
Blue Player pool (hitters) = 192
Red Player pool (hitters) = 152
Since 6 teams with 15 hitters = 90 players, the pools are big enough to support a draft.
Obviously we need to even up the pools and there is a lot of ways we could do it. Here is my suggestion and welcome any other suggestions for the group to consider:
Since California south of LA is more Red than Blue, there are 15 players in that part of the state that could move from Blue to Red. That would give Blue 177 and Red 167. That is the sensible part of the equation. Since no election would be complete without equal part nonsense, I suggest that the 8 Canadian and 2 Japanese born players be placed on the Red player pool (red and blue would then be equal at 177 players). Another thought is that instead of adding non-US players, we could divide CA a little further north, which would create a move of 4 Riverside players from Blue to Red, giving a breakdown of 173 Blue and 171 Red, which could be close enough. Riverside County is a Blue county, so this would also be nonsense, although both sides might want to check out just who, born in Riverside, would be affected by such a move. Anyone know?
Weigh in with your comments. I think we should have an agreement on how the hitters will be divided before I share the list of names.
10/3/2005: Here is the complete list of hitters by Party. I made the following adjustments to the lists so that both parties would have the same size pool to draw from.
* 15 players from Southern California was moved from Blue to Red
* 7 Canadian and 3 from San Juan, PR were added to Red
I backed off from adding the Japanese players as Ichiro and Hideki would likely be controversial, just as I didn't include Riverside, CA among Southern California players moving from Blue to Red (Barry Bonds being one of them). Also note that there are other Puerto Rico players, but only three on my list as being born in San Juan.
It's not perfect, but I am sticking with these lists unless there is VERY good reason to change. Pool size is 177 hitters for each party. And for those interested, the total salary is about $407M for Red and $419M for Blue.
BLUE Hitters Pool
NUM LAST FIRST BIRTHPACE2 PRICE
1 Anderson Garret California $1,860,000
2 Aurilia Rich New York $560,000
3 Ausmus Brad Connecticut $660,000
4 Bagwell Jeff Massachusetts $3,400,000
5 Baldelli Rocco Rhode Island $3,310,000
6 Barajas Rod California $1,460,000
7 Bellhorn Mark Massachusetts $3,400,000
8 Belliard Ronnie New York $4,230,000
9 Bennett Gary Illinois $810,000
10 Berg Dave California $500,000
11 Bergeron Peter Massachusetts $500,000
12 Biggio Craig New York $2,690,000
13 Bloomquist Willie Washington $500,000
14 Blum Geoff California $500,000
15 Bonds Barry California $16,020,000
16 Borchard Joe California $500,000
17 Bradley Milton California $3,380,000
18 Bragg Darren Connecticut $500,000
19 Brown Dee New York $500,000
20 Burke Jamie Oregon $3,360,000
21 Burnitz Jeromy California $4,410,000
22 Byrnes Eric California $5,100,000
23 Calloway Ron California $500,000
24 Casey Sean New Jersey $6,700,000
25 Catalanotto Frank New York $680,000
26 Chavez Eric California $4,870,000
27 Church Ryan California $500,000
28 Cirillo Jeff California $500,000
29 Clark Brady Oregon $3,600,000
30 Clayton Royce California $3,620,000
31 Conine Jeff Washington $2,590,000
32 Conti Jason Pennsylvania $500,000
33 Crisp Coco California $3,210,000
34 Crosby Bobby California $2,780,000
35 Daubach Brian Illinois $560,000
36 Davis Ben Pennsylvania $500,000
37 Dejesus David New York $3,190,000
38 Derosa Mark New Jersey $500,000
39 Dobbs Greg California $500,000
40 Dye Jermaine California $3,190,000
41 Easley Damion New York $3,980,000
42 Edmonds Jim California $12,740,000
43 Ensberg Morgan California $1,240,000
44 Estrada Johnny California $3,260,000
45 Fick Robert California $500,000
46 Flaherty John New York $2,200,000
47 Floyd Cliff Illinois $1,970,000
48 Fordyce Brook Connecticut $500,000
49 Fox Andy California $500,000
50 Fullmer Brad California $600,000
51 Garcia Danny California $1,600,000
52 Garciaparra Nomar California $2,670,000
53 Gerut Jody Illinois $1,500,000
54 Giambi Jason California $980,000
55 Gibbons Jay Michigan $580,000
56 Ginter Keith California $3,290,000
57 Glanville Doug New Jersey $500,000
58 Glaus Troy California $4,150,000
59 Gload Ross New York $5,140,000
60 Gomez Chris California $660,000
61 Goodwin Tom California $500,000
62 Grabowski Jason Connecticut $500,000
63 Graffanino Tony New York $860,000
64 Green Shawn Illinois $2,820,000
65 Greene Khalil Pennsylvania $4,360,000
66 Griffey Jr. Ken Pennsylvania $4,120,000
67 Gross Gabe Maryland $500,000
68 Grudzielanek Mark Wisconsin $2,120,000
69 Hairston Jr. Jerry Illinois $3,520,000
70 Hall Toby Washington $870,000
71 Halter Shane Maryland $500,000
72 Hammonds Jeffrey New Jersey $640,000
73 Hansen Dave California $550,000
74 Harris Brendan New York $500,000
75 Harvey Ken California $1,660,000
76 Hatteberg Scott Oregon $3,080,000
77 Hessman Mike California $500,000
78 Higginson Bobby Pennsylvania $1,440,000
79 Hill Bobby California $610,000
80 Hinske Eric Wisconsin $690,000
81 Hocking Denny California $500,000
82 Huckaby Ken California $500,000
83 Hummel Tim New York $500,000
84 Ibanez Raul New York $2,210,000
85 Jacobsen Bucky California $3,950,000
86 Jeter Derek New Jersey $6,860,000
87 Johnson Nick California $1,240,000
88 Johnson Reed California $1,320,000
89 Jordan Brian Maryland $500,000
90 Kapler Gabe California $1,880,000
91 Karros Eric New Jersey $500,000
92 Kennedy Adam California $3,170,000
93 Kent Jeff California $4,370,000
94 Kielty Bobby California $890,000
95 Klesko Ryan California $3,190,000
96 Konerko Paul Rhode Island $4,980,000
97 Kotsay Mark California $5,080,000
98 Laird Gerald California $500,000
99 Laker Tim California $500,000
100 Lamb Mike California $4,710,000
101 Lane Jason California $4,030,000
102 Lankford Ray California $600,000
103 Laroche Adam California $1,640,000
104 Lee Derrek California $5,870,000
105 Lieberthal Mike California $3,180,000
106 Lo Duca Paul New York $3,200,000
107 Loretta Mark California $7,410,000
108 Mabry John Delaware $4,700,000
109 Mackowiak Rob Illinois $1,070,000
110 Magruder Chris Washington $1,470,000
111 Martinez Edgar New York $900,000
112 Martinez Ramon Pennsylvania $680,000
113 Matthews Jr. Gary California $3,200,000
114 Mauer Joe Minnesota $5,130,000
115 Mayne Brent California $500,000
116 McDonald John Connecticut $500,000
117 McEwing Joe Pennsylvania $500,000
118 Melhuse Adam California $1,600,000
119 Mench Kevin Delaware $4,620,000
120 Menechino Frank New York $2,960,000
121 Merloni Lou Massachusetts $690,000
122 Miles Aaron California $850,000
123 Millar Kevin California $4,090,000
124 Miller Damian Wisconsin $2,780,000
125 Moeller Chad California $510,000
126 Nady Xavier California $990,000
127 Nevin Phil California $4,930,000
128 Newhan David California $3,150,000
129 Norton Greg California $500,000
130 Olerud John Washington $1,880,000
131 Overbay Lyle Washington $5,410,000
132 Palmeiro Orlando New Jersey $560,000
133 Pascucci Val California $500,000
134 Paul Josh Illinois $1,360,000
135 Piazza Mike Pennsylvania $2,450,000
136 Piedra Jorge California $2,390,000
137 Pierzynski A.J. New York $1,280,000
138 Pride Curtis DC $500,000
139 Quinlan Robb Minnesota $4,540,000
140 Randa Joe Wisconsin $2,240,000
141 Redmond Mike Washington $840,000
142 Restovich Mike Minnesota $1,890,000
143 Rodriguez Alex New York $8,500,000
144 Rollins Jimmy California $5,550,000
145 Rowand Aaron Oregon $5,470,000
146 Salmon Tim California $500,000
147 Sexson Richie Oregon $3,740,000
148 Sizemore Grady Washington $3,810,000
149 Snow J.T. California $5,990,000
150 Spiezio Scott Illinois $500,000
151 Stynes Chris New York $500,000
152 Surhoff B.J. New York $3,120,000
153 Sweeney Mark Massachusetts $1,520,000
154 Sweeney Mike California $4,110,000
155 Teixeira Mark Maryland $5,890,000
156 Thomas Charles California $3,020,000
157 Thome Jim Illinois $6,560,000
158 Treanor Matt California $510,000
159 Utley Chase California $1,950,000
160 Valent Eric California $990,000
161 Vander Wal John Michigan $500,000
162 Varitek Jason Michigan $5,210,000
163 Ventura Robin California $560,000
164 Vina Fernando California $500,000
165 Walker Todd California $2,390,000
166 Ward Daryle California $950,000
167 Werth Jayson Illinois $2,420,000
168 Wilson Craig California $5,120,000
169 Wilson Dan Illinois $600,000
170 Wilson Jack California $5,090,000
171 Winn Randy California $3,250,000
172 Woodward Chris California $500,000
173 Wooten Shawn California $500,000
174 Young Eric New Jersey $960,000
175 Young Michael California $4,470,000
176 Zaun Gregg California $2,140,000
177 Zeile Todd California $680,000
RED Hitters Pool
NUM LAST FIRST BIRTHPACE2 PRICE
1 Allen Chad Texas $500,000
2 Alou Moises Georgia $4,690,000
3 Anderson Marlon Alabama $500,000
4 Baerga Carlos San Juan, PR $500,000
5 Bako Paul Louisiana $500,000
6 Barmes Clint California $1,960,000
7 Barrett Michael Georgia $3,410,000
8 Bay Jason British Columbia $4,740,000
9 Bell David Ohio $3,290,000
10 Berkman Lance Texas $8,860,000
11 Bigbie Larry Indiana $1,500,000
12 Blake Casey Iowa $4,790,000
13 Blalock Hank California $4,230,000
14 Boone Bret California $4,490,000
15 Borders Pat Ohio $500,000
16 Branyan Russell Georgia $3,630,000
17 Broussard Ben Texas $5,840,000
18 Buchanan Brian Florida $500,000
19 Buck John Wyomming $1,920,000
20 Burrell Pat Arkansas $1,690,000
21 Burroughs Sean Georgia $1,630,000
22 Byrd Marlon Florida $500,000
23 Cameron Mike Georgia $3,790,000
24 Cantu Jorge Texas $4,160,000
25 Carroll Jamey Indiana $4,070,000
26 Cash Kevin Florida $500,000
27 Cepicky Matt Missouri $500,000
28 Clark Howie California $500,000
29 Clark Tony Kansas $1,860,000
30 Closser J.D. Indiana $2,640,000
31 Cota Humberto Colorado $1,370,000
32 Counsell Craig Indiana $620,000
33 Crawford Carl Texas $4,820,000
34 Crede Joe Missouri $1,020,000
35 Crosby Bubba Texas $500,000
36 Cruz Jacob California $500,000
37 Cuddyer Mike Virginia $1,400,000
38 Damon Johnny Kansas $6,180,000
39 Davanon Jeff California $2,020,000
40 Dellucci David Louisiana $1,320,000
41 Devore Doug Ohio $500,000
42 Drew J.D. Georgia $9,700,000
43 Dunn Adam Texas $6,430,000
44 Durham Ray North Carolina $4,070,000
45 Eckstein David Florida $1,690,000
46 Erstad Darin North Dakota $3,360,000
47 Everett Adam Georgia $2,570,000
48 Everett Carl Florida $550,000
49 Figgins Chone Georgia $2,850,000
50 Finley Steve Tennessee $5,040,000
51 Ford Lew Texas $4,450,000
52 Freel Ryan Florida $2,430,000
53 Freeman Choo Arkansas $500,000
54 Garcia Jesse Texas $550,000
55 Gathright Joey Mississippi $500,000
56 Giles Brian California $5,100,000
57 Giles Marcus California $4,880,000
58 Gonzalez Alex S. Florida $610,000
59 Gonzalez Luis Florida $1,790,000
60 Green Andy Kentucky $500,000
61 Green Nick Florida $1,880,000
62 Greene Todd Georgia $2,240,000
63 Grieve Ben Texas $750,000
64 Grissom Marquis Georgia $2,620,000
65 Guiel Aaron British Columbia $500,000
66 Gutierrez Ricky Florida $500,000
67 Hafner Travis North Dakota $8,090,000
68 Hairston Scott Texas $2,170,000
69 Hall Bill Mississippi $500,000
70 Hammock Robby Georgia $720,000
71 Harris Lenny Florida $500,000
72 Harris Willie Georgia $2,120,000
73 Hawpe Brad Texas $500,000
74 Helms Wes North Carolina $540,000
75 Helton Todd Tennessee $12,180,000
76 Hillenbrand Shea Arizona $2,560,000
77 Hollandsworth Todd Ohio $3,990,000
78 Holliday Matt Oklahoma $2,420,000
79 Hudson Orlando South Carolina $4,110,000
80 Huff Aubrey Ohio $3,440,000
81 Hunter Torii Arkansas $5,200,000
82 Inge Brandon Virginia $3,100,000
83 Johnson Charles Florida $2,300,000
84 Jones Chipper Florida $2,680,000
85 Jones Jacque California $1,420,000
86 Kata Matt Ohio $1,590,000
87 Kearns Austin Kentucky $930,000
88 Kendall Jason California $4,600,000
89 Keppinger Jeff Florida $2,980,000
90 Kotchman Casey Florida $500,000
91 Kroeger Josh Iowa $500,000
92 Krynzel Dave Ohio $500,000
93 Larkin Barry Ohio $1,400,000
94 Larson Brandon Texas $500,000
95 Larue Jason Texas $2,650,000
96 Lawton Matt Mississippi $2,010,000
97 Lecroy Matt South Carolina $1,590,000
98 Leone Justin Nevada $770,000
99 Lofton Kenny Indiana $600,000
100 Logan Nook Mississippi $2,070,000
101 Long Terrence Alabama $1,460,000
102 Lowell Mike San Juan, PR $6,690,000
103 Ludwick Ryan Florida $540,000
104 Martinez Tino Florida $2,960,000
105 Matheny Mike Ohio $800,000
106 McCarty Dave Texas $1,130,000
107 McCracken Quinton North Carolina $770,000
108 McGriff Fred Florida $500,000
109 McKay Cody British Columbia $500,000
110 McLemore Mark California $510,000
111 McMillon Billy New Mexico $500,000
112 Michaels Jason Florida $2,300,000
113 Mientkiewicz Doug Ohio $680,000
114 Mirabelli Doug Arizona $5,070,000
115 Mohr Dustan Mississippi $5,150,000
116 Monroe Craig Texas $3,180,000
117 Mordecai Mike Alabama $500,000
118 Morneau Justin British Columbia $4,620,000
119 Mueller Bill Missouri $2,400,000
120 Munson Eric California $670,000
121 Nix Laynce Texas $920,000
122 Nixon Trot North Carolina $2,840,000
123 Olson Tim North Dakota $500,000
124 Patterson Corey Georgia $4,060,000
125 Payton Jay Ohio $930,000
126 Pellow Kit Missouri $530,000
127 Perry Herbert Florida $500,000
128 Phelps Josh Alaska $1,260,000
129 Phillips Jason California $600,000
130 Pierre Juan Alabama $4,860,000
131 Podsednik Scott Texas $580,000
132 Pond Simon British Columbia $500,000
133 Pratt Todd Nebraska $1,880,000
134 Punto Nick California $540,000
135 Raines Jr Tim Tennessee $510,000
136 Ransom Cody Arizona $1,750,000
137 Redman Tike Alabama $860,000
138 Reese Pokey South Carolina $1,110,000
139 Relaford Desi Georgia $500,000
140 Rios Alexis Alabama $1,360,000
141 Roberts Brian North Carolina $3,620,000
142 Robinson Kerry Missouri $830,000
143 Rolen Scott Indiana $11,050,000
144 Rolls Damian Kansas $500,000
145 Ross Dave Georgia $500,000
146 Sanders Reggie South Carolina $3,350,000
147 Schneider Brian Florida $1,950,000
148 Segui David Kansas $1,610,000
149 Sheffield Gary Florida $5,640,000
150 Shelton Chris Utah $500,000
151 Sledge Terrmel North Carolina $2,610,000
152 Smith Jason Mississippi $1,210,000
153 Snyder Chris Texas $2,790,000
154 Spencer Shane Florida $1,930,000
155 Spivey Junior Oklahoma $2,720,000
156 Stairs Matt New Brunswick $2,170,000
157 Stewart Shannon Ohio $2,790,000
158 Swisher Nick West Virginia $1,900,000
159 Thames Marcus Mississippi $2,590,000
160 Thomas Frank Georgia $3,820,000
161 Tracy Chad North Carolina $590,000
162 Tucker Michael Virginia $1,360,000
163 Upton B.J. Virginia $1,650,000
164 Walker Larry British Columbia $5,820,000
165 Wells Vernon Louisiana $4,760,000
166 White Rondell Georgia $2,240,000
167 Wigginton Ty California $1,150,000
168 Wilkerson Brad Kentucky $5,940,000
169 Williams Bernie San Juan, PR $1,230,000
170 Williams Gerald Louisiana $1,740,000
171 Wilson Preston South Carolina $500,000
172 Wilson Vance Arizona $2,480,000
173 Wise Dewayne South Carolina $640,000
174 Womack Tony Virginia $1,010,000
175 Wright David Virginia $5,120,000
176 Youkilis Kevin ohio $1,320,000
177 Young Dmitri Mississippi $1,480,000
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